I'm sure it shocks him on several levels--firstly because he would be inclined to think it was a typical Baltar stunt, secondly because of the implications it holds that Roslin herself may be a Cylon. I'm really interested to see how this shapes the way he acts regarding her from now on.
I hadn't thought about the possibility that Lee may suspect Laura of being a Cylon. If he does, it certainly didn't alter his behavior towards her - he still tried to reach out to her and help her. He seems to want to see her continue as president because I think he believes there is no one better for the job. And considering he suspects that Kara could be a Cylon and has made it clear it wouldn't change his feelings, then he'd probably extend the same courtesy to Laura.
I was also intrigued by Zarek turning to Lee for answers in the Quorum scene. I can understand it on some levels--he comes from the military and people might suspect him of still knowing what's going on in their decision-making, especially given his family connection. But it felt like Lee's become somewhat of a leader in the Quorum in a brief time--they look to him as a bridge to Roslin, perhaps in part because he's willing to challenge her.
I go back to the comment Lee made in the first scene about having to be pushed through the door by the other delegates to confront Laura. Lee has a relationship with her they don't, even if it's strained right now. He was her military adviser. He led a mutiny to protect her and her office. He was with her when they split the fleet up. The assumption is, and I think it's a good one, if any one of them can reach Laura Roslin and reason with her it's going to be Lee Adama.
And I still don't understand the dynamic between the three individualised versions of Six, Leoben and Eight that we see talking, and the rest of them. If they're starting to become distinct from one another, how are they able to be so sure that all of their model will agree? How did these specific three come to be leaders?
I can rationalize why Leoben is a leader. He has a connection, via Kara, to the humans. But this Sharon isn't Boomer Sharon so why her? And how did Natalie come to lead them all? And why do the Six's each have individual names and the others don't? Are they more individualistic than the other models? And, if so, wouldn't there be more of a power struggle amongst them?
I do like that in Natalie proposing the resurrection ships being destroyed that the playing field is being leveled between the humans and Cylons. Not that humanity is going to forgive the Cylons any time soon, but the prospect in living with them in some way is a lot less scary if you know they can die like you can.
I hadn't thought about the possibility that Lee may suspect Laura of being a Cylon. If he does, it certainly didn't alter his behavior towards her I agree. I actually think I'm probably just optimistically projecting what I think the writers should be remembering onto the show. I just felt that any human would consider that option if someone confessed they were sharing dreams with Cylons. It wasn't specific to Lee or Laura. However, given how scattered the writing has been around this subject matter in Season 4, they probably didn't think about it. If they did, then yes, it reads as if he gives Laura the same grace he offered Kara. Which I'm happy about--I just wish we'd seen a little more of the thinking behind both perception-shifts on his part.
The assumption is, and I think it's a good one, if any one of them can reach Laura Roslin and reason with her it's going to be Lee Adama. Yes, that makes sense--I think I'm just startled that the writers suddenly remembered that history again. Pleased but confused, you could say.
I can rationalize why Leoben is a leader. He has a connection, via Kara, to the humans. Heh, because he kidnapped and tortured her, you mean? Sorry. Don't mind me--I'm evidently still a bit bitter. ;)
But this Sharon isn't Boomer Sharon so why her? And how did Natalie come to lead them all? And why do the Six's each have individual names and the others don't? Are they more individualistic than the other models? And, if so, wouldn't there be more of a power struggle amongst them? So many questions! None of them answered! The show invites me to think about the Cylons and then my mind hits these obstacles and flies back from them again. I just find it all so frustratingly opaque.
the prospect in living with them in some way is a lot less scary if you know they can die like you can. Yes, that's a really fundamental shift, I think. The first step towards the possibility of equalising things out between them.
I hadn't thought about the possibility that Lee may suspect Laura of being a Cylon. If he does, it certainly didn't alter his behavior towards her - he still tried to reach out to her and help her. He seems to want to see her continue as president because I think he believes there is no one better for the job. And considering he suspects that Kara could be a Cylon and has made it clear it wouldn't change his feelings, then he'd probably extend the same courtesy to Laura.
I was also intrigued by Zarek turning to Lee for answers in the Quorum scene. I can understand it on some levels--he comes from the military and people might suspect him of still knowing what's going on in their decision-making, especially given his family connection. But it felt like Lee's become somewhat of a leader in the Quorum in a brief time--they look to him as a bridge to Roslin, perhaps in part because he's willing to challenge her.
I go back to the comment Lee made in the first scene about having to be pushed through the door by the other delegates to confront Laura. Lee has a relationship with her they don't, even if it's strained right now. He was her military adviser. He led a mutiny to protect her and her office. He was with her when they split the fleet up. The assumption is, and I think it's a good one, if any one of them can reach Laura Roslin and reason with her it's going to be Lee Adama.
And I still don't understand the dynamic between the three individualised versions of Six, Leoben and Eight that we see talking, and the rest of them. If they're starting to become distinct from one another, how are they able to be so sure that all of their model will agree? How did these specific three come to be leaders?
I can rationalize why Leoben is a leader. He has a connection, via Kara, to the humans. But this Sharon isn't Boomer Sharon so why her? And how did Natalie come to lead them all? And why do the Six's each have individual names and the others don't? Are they more individualistic than the other models? And, if so, wouldn't there be more of a power struggle amongst them?
I do like that in Natalie proposing the resurrection ships being destroyed that the playing field is being leveled between the humans and Cylons. Not that humanity is going to forgive the Cylons any time soon, but the prospect in living with them in some way is a lot less scary if you know they can die like you can.
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I agree. I actually think I'm probably just optimistically projecting what I think the writers should be remembering onto the show. I just felt that any human would consider that option if someone confessed they were sharing dreams with Cylons. It wasn't specific to Lee or Laura. However, given how scattered the writing has been around this subject matter in Season 4, they probably didn't think about it. If they did, then yes, it reads as if he gives Laura the same grace he offered Kara. Which I'm happy about--I just wish we'd seen a little more of the thinking behind both perception-shifts on his part.
The assumption is, and I think it's a good one, if any one of them can reach Laura Roslin and reason with her it's going to be Lee Adama.
Yes, that makes sense--I think I'm just startled that the writers suddenly remembered that history again. Pleased but confused, you could say.
I can rationalize why Leoben is a leader. He has a connection, via Kara, to the humans.
Heh, because he kidnapped and tortured her, you mean? Sorry. Don't mind me--I'm evidently still a bit bitter. ;)
But this Sharon isn't Boomer Sharon so why her? And how did Natalie come to lead them all? And why do the Six's each have individual names and the others don't? Are they more individualistic than the other models? And, if so, wouldn't there be more of a power struggle amongst them?
So many questions! None of them answered! The show invites me to think about the Cylons and then my mind hits these obstacles and flies back from them again. I just find it all so frustratingly opaque.
the prospect in living with them in some way is a lot less scary if you know they can die like you can.
Yes, that's a really fundamental shift, I think. The first step towards the possibility of equalising things out between them.
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