RL is messing with my fandom activities

[bop_radar]

One day back at work and I'm already grieving the loss of quality online time. :( Especially with so many shiny fun things right now!

There's lots of great meta coming out about BSG's 'Razor' (and I am not going to get sick of talking about that any time soon!) and also the funniest deleted scene I've ever heard of needs to be giggled over. I mean

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[brokenmnemonic]

It seems like such a completely surreal thing for her to do. Tigh??? I mean... Tigh??? At least it wasn't Hot Dog...

I like your idea abou tit being a writers device to support what they'd built up later on - I think I'd have liked to have seen a scene post-Exodus where Tigh found out where Kara had actually been, because Torn felt "off" to me; I could understand Tigh sweeping up Tyrol or someone similar into his 'you're not a real man unless you were down in the dirt of the trenches with us' party, but no-one in the Resistance had seen Kara for months, and she didn't have any outward signs of being tortured like Tigh, so where's the connection?

You've got me wondering if perhaps this was also a scene forced by LDYB - I remember it floating around the blogosphere that RDM had said they filmed the ending for LDYB with no idea how they were going to start S3, just a vague confidence that if they were renewed, the writers could sort it all out. Having had Tigh and Kara hugging like best friends out of the blue in LDYB II needed some sort of explanation, which adds to your argument.

I've tried various ways of looking at why Kara ran away, but I'm conscious that I don't have anything like the grasp of her character I feel I have of Lee - and the way S3 rolled out, I eventually went with "we need a reason to keep them apart for another season" and filed it as a slightly less extreme version of the "I took an oath" scene that came completely out of left field in TEOJ. I know it did feel in-character for Kara to commit to a course of action completely, even a stupid one, without looking back; she throws everything into whatever she's doing at the time. I guess it's a scene that's never going to work for me because while I like a degree of ambiguity, it felt like going to extremes after so little explanation.

[asta77]

but no-one in the Resistance had seen Kara for months, and she didn't have any outward signs of being tortured like Tigh, so where's the connection?

And you would have thought there would have been more questions as to who she was with, what she might have shared with the person or persons she had contact with, etc. Given how suspicious people had grown of each other, and not without reason, it seemed off that Kara was so readily accepted back into the fold.

Having had Tigh and Kara hugging like best friends out of the blue in LDYB II needed some sort of explanation, which adds to your argument.

That probably threw me more than anything else did in the time jump. Lee and Kara tense with each other? No surprise. Lee and Kara not seeing eye to eye and taking it personally? Again, no surprise. Even Kara living on NC wasn't a total shock. But she and Tigh hugging?!?! And, yes, that definitely needed to be explained, but there could have been better ways to do it.

I've tried various ways of looking at why Kara ran away, but I'm conscious that I don't have anything like the grasp of her character I feel I have of Lee - and the way S3 rolled out, I eventually went with "we need a reason to keep them apart for another season" and filed it as a slightly less extreme version of the "I took an oath" scene that came completely out of left field in TEOJ.

Marrying Anders like she did seemed a bit rash even by Kara Thrace standards, but I could rationalize it. The night she slept with Lee and they declared their love in a ridiculous fashion, for a moment, she had it all and was happy. Lee was planning a life for them together. It wasn't until the next morning that the reality of everything hit her and, I felt, it terrified her. Now, believing herself the screw-up, unworthy of love, who only leaves disaster in her wake - Zak died, in part, because of her actions and love for him - the only way she could see to protect herself and Lee was to do something so hurtful that he wouldn't and couldn't be with her. Of course, she didn't really think that plan out because she lost her best friend for over a year.

The scene in EoJ was very problematic for me, probably because of my views on hypocrisy in religion. She couldn't get a divorce because she'd be sinning in the eyes of the gods, but she can be unfaithful to her husband and hurt three people in the process and that is OK? I wasn't happy with Lee in all this, but at least his plan was to leave Dee and stop the lies.

[brokenmnemonic]

And you would have thought there would have been more questions as to who she was with, what she might have shared with the person or persons she had contact with, etc. Given how suspicious people had grown of each other, and not without reason, it seemed off that Kara was so readily accepted back into the fold.
It really did. I did wonder if they were going to try and create a connection along the lines of Tigh becoming close friends with Kara as a form of over-compensation for the loss of Ellen, but then if they were going to use Ellen as a means of character evolution from Tigh, I'd have expected to see some resentment on some level from Tigh towards Anders over the death of Ellen, and instead other than briefly in Collaborators, the two were never on screen together. Failing to explain why Tigh and Kara are such good friends is a frustrating thing - just like not showing us the first encounter between Lee and Kara post-NC.

But she and Tigh hugging?!?! And, yes, that definitely needed to be explained, but there could have been better ways to do it.
I'd hoped that the deleted scene would explain it all, but instead it makes things seem even more bizarre - if that's not why they were suddenly so pally, why were they? In fact, given that in LDYB Tigh settles on NC on the eve of the Cylon invasion, how did Kara and Tigh even get to talk to each other, let alone bond? After all, UB showed that she'd been down on the planet for some time even at the groundbreaking ceremony.

Now, believing herself the screw-up, unworthy of love, who only leaves disaster in her wake - Zak died, in part, because of her actions and love for him - the only way she could see to protect herself and Lee was to do something so hurtful that he wouldn't and couldn't be with her. Of course, she didn't really think that plan out because she lost her best friend for over a year.
I think one of the reasons I resent having to try and rationalize out that scene is that I have trouble imagining Kara ever being terrified of Lee, and that's how most people explain it away. The problem with arguing that she considers herself to leave disaster behind when she loves people is that she evidently had no fear of that impacting on Anders - if the comments about her loving both of them (or even Anders more, as Katee seemed to indicate) are true, why is she not terrified of destroying Anders? In Collaborators, we see Kara moving away from him in what she evidently feels is the best move for him, but I have some difficulty with the idea that she's afraid of causing Lee harm... so she decides to put herself in a position to harm Anders instead. Alternatively, if it's a case of she doesn't actually hold Anders in enough regard to worry about compared to Lee, then I really like this theory.

The scene in EoJ was very problematic for me, probably because of my views on hypocrisy in religion. She couldn't get a divorce because she'd be sinning in the eyes of the gods, but she can be unfaithful to her husband and hurt three people in the process and that is OK? I wasn't happy with Lee in all this, but at least his plan was to leave Dee and stop the lies.
That's one of the big issues I have with that scene - the other being the reaction a lot of the fanbase had to TAB; it didn't seem at all out of character for Lee to call her on her offer to see if she was serious or not - she had already run away once, and then flat-out refused to commit to him again on religious grounds to go with whatever she'd been feeling/reacting to in UB - but a lot of people reacted as if Lee were just being deliberately abusive and pushing her away. I tend to agree with Boppy - I don't think it was at all unreasonable for Lee to basically ask "how do I know you're serious this time?" based on past evidence. If nothing else, I'd be inclined to ask the same question after all the whiplash-inducing changes of temprement characters seemed to go through in S3.