Yes it was srs bnz enough for me and yes it made sense. XDDD This is what I'm looking for. /responds :3
but he should at least be kind of grimacy over the porn parts then But why? Why do his reactions need to be at such extremes? Either he's turned on by it or he needs to be repulsed by it? Why is this the case? What's wrong with him just viewing it and responding with something to the tune of "well it doesn't do anything for me but it's not disgusting." I guess I don't see how him not being disgusted by gay porn somehow means he's gay.
It's like saying that I can go download lesbian porn off the 'net and watch it, and because I won't be disgusted by it or covering my eyes, I must be a lesbian. But I'm not. I'm very much straight and wholly attracted to guys; I feel no sexual attraction to women, but that doesn't mean I find lesbian porn disgusting. It doesn't, how ever, turn me on.
Also, remember that we have no idea exactly what Yoochun is watching, because Changmin has no idea what he's watching, and this story is filtered through Min's POV. For all we know, he's genuinely watching the movies for the plot and fast-forwarding through the smut. :/ Not once has Changmin seen Yoochun jerking off to the videos or doing anything else that makes him seem like he wants to go suck a dick. Even in Min's own words, he thinks Chun's just going through a phase. He jokes about making him gay, but really, it was a joke.
oy, not saying that not being grimacy makes him gay. :) but he's a guy, and.. yoochun. and apparently very, very straight. so it would seem natural for him to be a bit, "...ohmygod" when he talks to changmin about gay things, if only to convince the readers that he's still straight. :)
he doesn't either have to be gay or homophobic, but in a 'verse where the majority (changmin, jaejoong, assumed yunho and junsu) are gay, and where changmin often wonders whether his roommate is turning gay, it makes it easier to believe that he is straight if he actually says so himself. he did in the beginning of the series, where he also dated a girl if i remember right, but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill. this could be because changmin, whose POV we see everything from, has been busy and has thus not paid attention to his roommates dates, but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going out. and he's watching lots of gay porn, and being very, very interested in his gay roommate's life, yeah?
as for It's like saying that I can go download lesbian porn off the 'net and watch it, and because I won't be disgusted by it or covering my eyes, I must be a lesbian, well, i can't be sure (how would i know), but from the subject-related fics and friends i've had, it seems like girls are different from guys in that area. also the reason why girls might often kiss each other on camera or whatever, without being labelled lesbians. the guys i know wouldn't do that, because they often feel that they're much easier labelled as gay. so whenever they start, i dunno, participating in a discussion about gay porn, they hurry to say that they're not gay first.
For all we know, he's genuinely watching the movies for the plot and fast-forwarding through the smut. true. but we're not actually given any reason to believe that, not really. :| like, he says he'll be out in twenty minutes when changmin starts watching that mafia porn, but that could as easily be because he's in denial/confused/i might be thinking too much? and he does say that he's watching it for the story - but then, as changmin points out, no one really watches porn for the plot, so it's a much closer option that yoochun is, actually, gay.
Yes, in the beginning Chun made a few comments about some girl he was seeing. He mentioned he split with her at the beginning of the third chapter and yes, there hasn't been a mention of a girl since...
but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill -BUT remember that the third chapter only took place... less than two weeks ago, in fic time. With midterms coming up, Chun has actually been a better student than him and has been busy with school (lawl cause he actually knew when HIS midterms were XD). Chun might be a bit of a player but you think he'd already have moved on to another girl in less than two weeks? ;__;
but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going out Chun IS actually out quite a bit in this chapter. He was out when Min showered at the beginning of the chapter (which was Friday night). He was out when Jaejoong called in the following scene (Saturday night). He was coming home from a party/bar/somewhere (as he reeked of cigarettes and was drunk) during the watching-porn-together scene (later Saturday night). Finally, he was out when Jaejoong came over (Wednesday night). The only scene in which he was not out or coming home from being out was the scene where Changmin came home and found him watching videos (Monday night, I believe).
Granted, we have no idea where he was for most of these scenes, because Min isn't asking/doesn't care what his hyung is up to/is too busy with his own life :3
As for the part about the double standards for girl-kissing/boy-kissing... while some guys certainly see a huge stigma attached to it and will be very against anything even remotely gay-ish, not all guys are like that...
As for his porn watching...
There's another long, extended bout of silence as Yoochun stares in part fascination, part horror. "How many of his videos are like this?"
There's your grimacy reaction right there. XD I completely forgot to mention it in my original comment. :3
Anyway, the whole "I'll be out in 20 minutes thing"... Chun reeked of cigarettes and had just come back from partying. Dude wanted a shower, man XDDD And was giving Min time to get his jollies off in relative private with his porn (as he's assuming Min was planning to masturbate, since he is watching porn and all). He chose that moment to get up and leave because he wasn't exactly interested in watching one guy give a very explicit blowjob to another guy.
but didn't he have a flavor-of-the-week thing? :| it made me assume that he had a new girl every week, which should lead to him having been out with two girls in the past chapters. which he hasn't. :| and my image of yoochun is so greasy, so. 8D
ah, okay, what i meant there was 'yoochun is just not going out with a girl'. :D or, he doesn't actually mention where he has been, but considering how much changmin tells him about his love life, you'd think they'd talk about yoochun love life too, if he had one. :3
when you put it that way, changmin doesn't sound like a very nice magnae. :|
not all guys are like that... no, but i'm assuming that yoochun is a bit, considering the way we was in the beginning of porn star.
YES! grimacy reaction! 8D see, more of those would convince me that he's straight. but they don't come often enough (for me). :3
pfft, look, changmin was watching jaejoong's porn. 8D i was kind of not very bothered about where yoochun had been, 'kay. xD and then when i thought back on it, which was after i'd come to the conclusion that he was in denial about being gay, it seemed to me like he was off to angst in the shower because he was all confused. 8D
Sure, it had been his flavor-of-the-week, but boy is smart and knew he had midterms in the very near future. :3
Ahh, going out with a girl. Well, again, Min has no idea where Chun has been :3 Chun could be out one-night-standing it up with lots of girls. We have no idea because Chun's been too wrapped up in his own love life lately (and, uh, not failing his classes XD) to ask.
LOL he's not a bad magnae! He's just busyyyy XD Chun understands this. They haven't done much heart-to-heart stuff lately. They'll get back around to it.
What's wrong with the way he was at the beginning of porn star? he was totally comfortable making jokes about himself being gay back then.
I just don't think grimacy reaction is required for Chun to be not-gay. :3 But it was there, nevertheless.
And lol at you man XD Nothing in his attitude was "angst" when he got up and left for that shower. He asked Min how long he'd take and Min even volunteered "I'll only need 20 minutes" and so Chun was willing to give him 20 minutes. XD He just wanted a shower! That's all it was! boy was stinky and sweaty from being out.... wherever he was XD Min will pry a bit in the next chapter, when midterms are over and he's not so stressed.
i knoooooooow, and it makes sense, but it doesn't exactly us give us reason to think that he's NOT gay. 8D i mean, he's not going out with girls and he's watching gay porn. surely you see my logic..? 8D
he is too. :| especially after that scene where they got drunk, and yoochun was all protective hyung and changmin just doesn't care. :| changmin is a jerk.
there was nothing wrong with the way he was in the beginning! :D he just seemed more straight! (that was back when he wasn't too interested in changmin's love life - because changmin didn't have one -, didn't watch gay porn, and dated girls. he was totally straight. so then it was okay that he made jokes about himself being gay. now he's too interested, watches gay porn, doesn't date girls, and doesn't make jokes about himself being gay = he's in denial and very confused about his sexuality. i'm sorry. i'm being stubborn and arguing for the sake of arguing. 8D you should never have asked me, i can't stop once i've started.
ugh, i might have been reading too much angst then. 8D -uses angsty changmin icon (because someone needs to angst)-
But the thing is, he isn't watching gay porn. He's watching the plot-oriented parts of "movie"-porn, and fast-forwarding through the sex. Seriously. I don't want to actually give away why he's doing all this -and there is a reason, honestly- but a big part of it is simply because he wants to see what it's like, and why Changmin enjoys watching these things. That's all. And actually, he HAS been going out with girls. The point is that we don't know this stuff yet because Min doesn't know it because he hasn't been prying like Chun does. XD
LOL Min was drunk BECAUSE Chun got him drunk XD Chun better be taking care of him when he was wasted because it was HIS FAULT. XDDDDD And Min does too care! But part of it is, as you pointed out, these aren't exactly ~*meaningful relationships*~ Chun's been involved with. They're flings. Min will definitely be more interested if Chun comes to him and tells him he's actually dating a girl, for, like, long-term. XD
Pssssh he's always interested in Min's love life XD he just wasn't asking before because Min didn't have one. he has one now, so Chun asks about it. Because Min is his roommate and friend and dongsaeng, he WANTS to know everything going on in his life XD Min, however, is a bit more of a private person, he's less-inclined to ask about other peoples' sex lives and even less inclined to volunteer information about his own. Why do you think him and Chun have so many "tell me what you guys did!" "hyung, not telling you!" discussions?
And yes, stop reading angst into this story where there isn't any (yet ;__;).
but no one watches porn for the plot! 8D because we're not told/we don't see him fast-forwarding through the sex. and now that i know that you've got a reason - well, you can't expect people to think he's straight if you haven't revealed the reason. :| he wants to see what it's like, and why Changmin enjoys watching these things well, why does he watch normal porn? :| isn't it.. obvious?
yes, but he was a totally nice and protective hyung afterwards! 8D well, yoochun should date a girl long-term then. :( then it would be easier to believe that he's straight.
He doesn't watch normal porn cause Min doesn't have normal porn XDDD And he wanted to watch what CHANGMIN is watching, because he's just trying to understand his roommate a bit more, and the things Min and Jae are doing behind closed doors (errr, will be, since they're not doing it yet :3)
YOU'RE the one in denialll! XDDD After seeing all these signs of his heterosexuality, you want to keep insisting poor Chun is hungry for peen. :3 Admit it, you just want some insane JaeChunMin dorm room threesome. :/
Naw, Chun is still sowing his wild oats in college XDDDD He won't settle down with one girl for quite some time I think. :3
Sorry I never came back and replied to you ;__; I'm so easily distracted, sobbb.
but he should at least be kind of grimacy over the porn parts then
But why? Why do his reactions need to be at such extremes? Either he's turned on by it or he needs to be repulsed by it? Why is this the case? What's wrong with him just viewing it and responding with something to the tune of "well it doesn't do anything for me but it's not disgusting." I guess I don't see how him not being disgusted by gay porn somehow means he's gay.
It's like saying that I can go download lesbian porn off the 'net and watch it, and because I won't be disgusted by it or covering my eyes, I must be a lesbian. But I'm not. I'm very much straight and wholly attracted to guys; I feel no sexual attraction to women, but that doesn't mean I find lesbian porn disgusting. It doesn't, how ever, turn me on.
Also, remember that we have no idea exactly what Yoochun is watching, because Changmin has no idea what he's watching, and this story is filtered through Min's POV. For all we know, he's genuinely watching the movies for the plot and fast-forwarding through the smut. :/ Not once has Changmin seen Yoochun jerking off to the videos or doing anything else that makes him seem like he wants to go suck a dick. Even in Min's own words, he thinks Chun's just going through a phase. He jokes about making him gay, but really, it was a joke.
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he doesn't either have to be gay or homophobic, but in a 'verse where the majority (changmin, jaejoong, assumed yunho and junsu) are gay, and where changmin often wonders whether his roommate is turning gay, it makes it easier to believe that he is straight if he actually says so himself. he did in the beginning of the series, where he also dated a girl if i remember right, but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill. this could be because changmin, whose POV we see everything from, has been busy and has thus not paid attention to his roommates dates, but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going out. and he's watching lots of gay porn, and being very, very interested in his gay roommate's life, yeah?
as for It's like saying that I can go download lesbian porn off the 'net and watch it, and because I won't be disgusted by it or covering my eyes, I must be a lesbian, well, i can't be sure (how would i know), but from the subject-related fics and friends i've had, it seems like girls are different from guys in that area. also the reason why girls might often kiss each other on camera or whatever, without being labelled lesbians. the guys i know wouldn't do that, because they often feel that they're much easier labelled as gay. so whenever they start, i dunno, participating in a discussion about gay porn, they hurry to say that they're not gay first.
For all we know, he's genuinely watching the movies for the plot and fast-forwarding through the smut. true. but we're not actually given any reason to believe that, not really. :| like, he says he'll be out in twenty minutes when changmin starts watching that mafia porn, but that could as easily be because he's in denial/confused/i might be thinking too much? and he does say that he's watching it for the story - but then, as changmin points out, no one really watches porn for the plot, so it's a much closer option that yoochun is, actually, gay.
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but lately it has seemed like his love life has come to a standstill
-BUT remember that the third chapter only took place... less than two weeks ago, in fic time. With midterms coming up, Chun has actually been a better student than him and has been busy with school (lawl cause he actually knew when HIS midterms were XD). Chun might be a bit of a player but you think he'd already have moved on to another girl in less than two weeks? ;__;
but as far as i see it, as a reader, yoochun is just not going out
Chun IS actually out quite a bit in this chapter. He was out when Min showered at the beginning of the chapter (which was Friday night). He was out when Jaejoong called in the following scene (Saturday night). He was coming home from a party/bar/somewhere (as he reeked of cigarettes and was drunk) during the watching-porn-together scene (later Saturday night). Finally, he was out when Jaejoong came over (Wednesday night). The only scene in which he was not out or coming home from being out was the scene where Changmin came home and found him watching videos (Monday night, I believe).
Granted, we have no idea where he was for most of these scenes, because Min isn't asking/doesn't care what his hyung is up to/is too busy with his own life :3
As for the part about the double standards for girl-kissing/boy-kissing... while some guys certainly see a huge stigma attached to it and will be very against anything even remotely gay-ish, not all guys are like that...
As for his porn watching...
There's another long, extended bout of silence as Yoochun stares in part fascination, part horror. "How many of his videos are like this?"
There's your grimacy reaction right there. XD I completely forgot to mention it in my original comment. :3
Anyway, the whole "I'll be out in 20 minutes thing"... Chun reeked of cigarettes and had just come back from partying. Dude wanted a shower, man XDDD And was giving Min time to get his jollies off in relative private with his porn (as he's assuming Min was planning to masturbate, since he is watching porn and all). He chose that moment to get up and leave because he wasn't exactly interested in watching one guy give a very explicit blowjob to another guy.
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ah, okay, what i meant there was 'yoochun is just not going out with a girl'. :D or, he doesn't actually mention where he has been, but considering how much changmin tells him about his love life, you'd think they'd talk about yoochun love life too, if he had one. :3
when you put it that way, changmin doesn't sound like a very nice magnae. :|
not all guys are like that... no, but i'm assuming that yoochun is a bit, considering the way we was in the beginning of porn star.
YES! grimacy reaction! 8D see, more of those would convince me that he's straight. but they don't come often enough (for me). :3
pfft, look, changmin was watching jaejoong's porn. 8D i was kind of not very bothered about where yoochun had been, 'kay. xD and then when i thought back on it, which was after i'd come to the conclusion that he was in denial about being gay, it seemed to me like he was off to angst in the shower because he was all confused. 8D
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Ahh, going out with a girl. Well, again, Min has no idea where Chun has been :3 Chun could be out one-night-standing it up with lots of girls. We have no idea because Chun's been too wrapped up in his own love life lately (and, uh, not failing his classes XD) to ask.
LOL he's not a bad magnae! He's just busyyyy XD Chun understands this. They haven't done much heart-to-heart stuff lately. They'll get back around to it.
What's wrong with the way he was at the beginning of porn star? he was totally comfortable making jokes about himself being gay back then.
I just don't think grimacy reaction is required for Chun to be not-gay. :3 But it was there, nevertheless.
And lol at you man XD Nothing in his attitude was "angst" when he got up and left for that shower. He asked Min how long he'd take and Min even volunteered "I'll only need 20 minutes" and so Chun was willing to give him 20 minutes. XD He just wanted a shower! That's all it was! boy was stinky and sweaty from being out.... wherever he was XD Min will pry a bit in the next chapter, when midterms are over and he's not so stressed.
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he is too. :| especially after that scene where they got drunk, and yoochun was all protective hyung and changmin just doesn't care. :| changmin is a jerk.
there was nothing wrong with the way he was in the beginning! :D he just seemed more straight! (that was back when he wasn't too interested in changmin's love life - because changmin didn't have one -, didn't watch gay porn, and dated girls. he was totally straight. so then it was okay that he made jokes about himself being gay.
now he's too interested, watches gay porn, doesn't date girls, and doesn't make jokes about himself being gay = he's in denial and very confused about his sexuality. i'm sorry. i'm being stubborn and arguing for the sake of arguing. 8D you should never have asked me, i can't stop once i've started.
ugh, i might have been reading too much angst then. 8D -uses angsty changmin icon (because someone needs to angst)-
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LOL Min was drunk BECAUSE Chun got him drunk XD Chun better be taking care of him when he was wasted because it was HIS FAULT. XDDDDD And Min does too care! But part of it is, as you pointed out, these aren't exactly ~*meaningful relationships*~ Chun's been involved with. They're flings. Min will definitely be more interested if Chun comes to him and tells him he's actually dating a girl, for, like, long-term. XD
Pssssh he's always interested in Min's love life XD he just wasn't asking before because Min didn't have one. he has one now, so Chun asks about it. Because Min is his roommate and friend and dongsaeng, he WANTS to know everything going on in his life XD Min, however, is a bit more of a private person, he's less-inclined to ask about other peoples' sex lives and even less inclined to volunteer information about his own. Why do you think him and Chun have so many "tell me what you guys did!" "hyung, not telling you!" discussions?
And yes, stop reading angst into this story where there isn't any (yet ;__;).
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he wants to see what it's like, and why Changmin enjoys watching these things well, why does he watch normal porn? :| isn't it.. obvious?
yes, but he was a totally nice and protective hyung afterwards! 8D
well, yoochun should date a girl long-term then. :( then it would be easier to believe that he's straight.
..yet. ;__; -grabs tissues-
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... totally unrelated but I did more brainstorming today and sobbing fucking forever I think this story is gonna end up getting longer. :|||
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...YES! :D
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YOU'RE the one in denialll! XDDD After seeing all these signs of his heterosexuality, you want to keep insisting poor Chun is hungry for peen. :3 Admit it, you just want some insane JaeChunMin dorm room threesome. :/
Naw, Chun is still sowing his wild oats in college XDDDD He won't settle down with one girl for quite some time I think. :3
Sorry I never came back and replied to you ;__; I'm so easily distracted, sobbb.
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