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Jul 14, 2009 19:53

Don't know if this is the right place to post this, but you're all very knowledgeable, so I thought I'd give it a go ( Read more... )

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 20:32:35 UTC
yes. more demand, more supply. (generally.) oats can help, as can hops (a very hoppy beer will work) fenugreek and blessed thistle supplements can as well. also, pumping can up the supply too, it can be done during feeding, after, inbetween ( ... )

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 20:35:39 UTC
i should say the pumping should be done in addition to the regular nursing, not in place of. and she should know that what she gets out with a pump is in no way an indication of her supply, as the baby is way more efficient at getting milk out than a pump.

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echospex July 14 2009, 20:50:57 UTC
Oh yeah I already told her that :) The whole thing just makes me so angry though. The 'well we have to pay lipservice to breastfeeding' when in reality, the people who are supposed to help you know absolutely nothing, and their answer to everything is formula. She hasn't even been offered a lactation consultant.

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 21:00:44 UTC
we had a doctor (or an intern? i don't know.) come in to visit that was working in the mommy/baby ward of one of the local hospitals. she was all "supportive" of breastfeeding, but it turns out the minute the mom has any problem or question or doubt or anything, they just hand them formula instead of working it out. and that's THE DR telling us that. my boss and i wanted to give her a serous piece of our minds.

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echospex July 14 2009, 20:43:18 UTC
She says his nappies are fine, and plentiful too. I don't know what his weights are at the minute (she was very upset and angry when I spoke to her, so I didn't get around to asking). They usually weigh naked over here, and she said he had a full nappy right before weighing too. From what she was saying too, this is the first week he hasn't gained as much as they'd like. Argh. What I don't understand is why they can't refer her to a lactation consultant. Why is the answer always formula? She did crack under pressure and give him a little formula last week. Wonder if that temporarily affected her supply?

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 20:57:15 UTC
my bet is that his weight was affected by that full one.

wait, this is the first week he was "under"? 3 oz of formula is the answer? srsly? *fumes*

i wish i knew why the answer always seems to be formula. it's the same here, i'm currently working as a lactation counselor, (working towards taking the IBCLC exam) and 90% of the time, we can't get a hold of anyone until they want formula.

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 21:33:46 UTC
oh, something else i just thought of. Formula has fewer calories and a lower fat content than the average for breastmilk.

http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/babyfoodcalories.html
http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/milk/change-milkfat.html

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echospex July 14 2009, 21:40:16 UTC
I'll tell her that. Plus there's the whole fact that it takes longer to digest...Oh and it gives him diarrhoea. So that'll help with the weight gain then.
I did tell her to try to get more hindmilk into him. Is it possible though, that he just had a bit of a growth spurt and didn't quite get all the milk he needed because of the pressure she was under to feed him less of the time and as a result, milk that should have been going to put weight on him went elsewhere?

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 22:37:00 UTC
absolutely. and if he had diarrhea, that would not be good for weight loss either.

would she object to telling them she gave formula and not actually do it?

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dragonintherain July 14 2009, 22:37:37 UTC
duh. not good for weight *gain*.

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echospex July 15 2009, 09:17:32 UTC
I knew what you meant! I just feel so sorry for her. She really really doesn't want to feed him formula, and she is getting no support whatsoever. Half the people telling her it's obviously not working, she has to feed him too much etc etc have NEVER breastfed. Anyway, thanks for your help. Have so far told her a) feed him more often b)eat oatmeal c)express some milk to see how much fat is in it and adjust her diet if necessary d) wear him so he can feed while she cares for the other 2 kids e)feed totally on demand f)don't listen to anyone who hasn't breastfed. Am hoping I haven't missed out anything glaring. Just keeping my fingers crossed for her now. About the only thing I CAN do other than feed the darn baby myself....

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dragonintherain July 15 2009, 17:30:51 UTC
if her milk is low in fat, adjusting her diet won't change that. (so says kellymom anyway.) however, nursing for a longer time or nursing closer together will.

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echospex July 15 2009, 18:04:46 UTC
Thanks.

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gothiclibrarian July 15 2009, 00:23:53 UTC
Fenugreek and blessed thistle really do work, if she's worried about supply she might want to see if they work for her.

You have to take a lot and it makes you smell like maple syrup, but, there you go.

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echospex July 15 2009, 09:19:49 UTC
There are worse things to smell like than maple syrup! I'm trying to get hold of some mothers milk tea, which I think is mainly fenugreek and fennel, but it seems impossible to get in the UK. Cos of course over here, we can't guilt the bottlefeeders who 'can't feed their babies for medical reasons'. Hm. Since when was 'ew that's gross' and 'but people will look' a medical reason?

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