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Nov 08, 2011 18:57

[When the feed clicked on, it was showing an image of Liquid sitting on what appeared to be the edge of a building.  It was evening, and the sun was in just the right place so that the sky behind him was lit with red and orange, and made his hair blaze like a golden halo around his head.]

[It was all very dramatic and it probably wasn't coincidental ( Read more... )

it's not over yet!, liquid is a time lord, !liquid, we're all a little mad here, real life consequences, get me 300ccs of tardis stat, let's do the time warp again, let us contemplate our navels, fucking with space time

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used_fireblast November 9 2011, 01:02:13 UTC
Changing the future isn't easy, from what I've heard. Dangerous, too. Universe-ending dangerous.

[He had it explained to him once, by someone a lot smarter than he is.]

You can't change what happens, really. But you can change the circumstances, if you're careful. Kind of like Back To The Future, only with less classic rock.

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boldandresolute November 9 2011, 01:26:49 UTC
I'm willing to take that risk.

[If the world tried to end over it, he would damn well put it back together.]

How much can the circumstances be changed? And how do you know what can be changed and what can't be?

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used_fireblast November 9 2011, 02:30:34 UTC
Uh, lesse...

[And going with the example that was given to him.]

Say someone knew your car was going to get stolen. They can't prevent it cause that'd be a paradox and Michael J Fox would start fading from existence. But if they warn you to park in a well-lit garage somewhere instead of on the street, it gets broken into instead of taken in a carjacking. The theft still happens, but no one's got a bullet in their head and you don't need to go back to the old west to save a mad scientist.

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boldandresolute November 9 2011, 02:54:11 UTC
I've already been told exactly what is going to happen, though. So the whole subtle suggestion part has kind of been thrown out of the window from the start.

Let's take this metaphor of yours and make it a little more like my situation. Let's say that the car is a giant bipedal nuclear deathtank, and I'm the person who's supposed to commandeer it to take over the world. What you're telling me is that if I decide to not commandeer the tank and, in fact, prevent its creator from ever making it in the first place, Michael J Fox will disappear.

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used_fireblast November 9 2011, 04:26:32 UTC
[Uh, wow. Not really what Harry was expecting. Like at all. Very Terminator, really.]

Basically, yeah. You stop the giant nuclear Voltron from being created, you've negated any way for you to have gotten the information at all and the universe goes boom.

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boldandresolute November 9 2011, 04:31:37 UTC
[Welcome to the world of Metal Gear Solid. We have giant robots here.]

...I'd think it'd be a very poorly-made universe if it would explode just because one person changed a few events in the entire course of its several billion-year history.

Couldn't I just be creating an alternate timeline or something? Didn't someone theorize something like that?

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[video] used_fireblast November 9 2011, 05:39:30 UTC
Possibly, but the guy I heard this from knows what he's talking about.

[Welcome to the world of the Dresden Files. We don't have giant robots, but we do have spirits of pure knowledge.]

I assume it's got something to do with the whole butterfly effect thing. ...The scientific theory, not the movie. Though I heard that was bad enough to end a universe, too.

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[video] boldandresolute November 9 2011, 05:53:50 UTC
Well, it seems as though I'm going to be breaking a bloody universe, because I am sure as hell not going to let my life and Hal's turn into the disaster that it's supposed to.

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Re: [video] used_fireblast November 9 2011, 17:50:50 UTC
Still might be possible to tweak the circumstances. Make your giant mecha-Godzilal less of a weapon, make it stoppable by sabotage instead of giant explosion, whatever.

Give it a small thermal exhaust port two-meters wide.

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Re: [video] boldandresolute November 11 2011, 04:03:33 UTC
I didn't build the robot, I just commandeered it. And I need to keep the person who did build it from ever designing it-- if he has a hand in it, ridiculously oversized thermal exhaust port or not, he's going to feel guilty over the fact that it was key piece in my rebellion and was going to be used for destruction rather than defense.

And even if I did just tweak the design, that doesn't stop me from getting blown up in the bloody thing. I'd like to try to stay alive in my hypothetical less shitty future.

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Re: [video] used_fireblast November 12 2011, 02:41:43 UTC
[Thaaaaat explains a fair bit.]

Yeah, that makes things a little more difficult. 'Less you can fake your own death and arrange for someone else to do the designing, that'll probably get pretty world breaky.

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[video] boldandresolute November 13 2011, 03:45:30 UTC
But does it have to be me in the cockpit at all? Is the important thing just that a rebellion occurs at Shadow Moses with a Metal Gear, or is it vital that it's my rebellion?

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Re: [video] used_fireblast November 13 2011, 21:50:23 UTC
[For the first time, Harry has an inkling of what it's like to be on the receiving end of his own pop-culture references.]

[Will this deter him at all from making them? Nope.]

No way of knowing. Might be able to rig up some kind of remote control for the thing, I suppose.

[A giant robot is like a really big RC car, right? Electronics, how do.]

Tricky part'd be if your death is, metaphorically, what drives Gollum to fall into Mount Doom, say. The whole 'for want of a nail' kind of thing.

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[video] boldandresolute November 15 2011, 21:24:10 UTC
So it's a crapshoot. If what's important is the events and not the players, than if I can just manage to arrange for everything to happen without myself and Hal, things should work. If not, then I break the universe and disappear.

Wonderful.

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Re: [video] used_fireblast November 15 2011, 23:01:15 UTC
Basically, yeah.

[Harry's a helper.]

Either way it'd be possible to work something out, but you'd have to be very, very careful.

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