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WAY TO FAIL.
That's my favorite manga you're killing! And plagarizing. Newsflash. It's illegal to do that and people will lose their respect for you.
UGH.D:<
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However, I have a total and new appreciation for canon these days. My newest favorite couple is comprised of a chubby, mean-spirited with a heart of gold girl and a bald kid bent on perfection (I need to stop watching Cartoon Network with my baby nephew). AND EVERYONE HATES THE GIRL even though the boy has been shown to like her. A lot.
TL;DR!
Yeah, Canon is not as bad as I thought.
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Ze couple? Ah. Numbuh 1 (Nigel Uno)/Lizzie Devine of Codename: Kids Next Door (a show that is better than it sounds). XD
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LFSKDJFLSKJFD KND IS SO MUCH WIN! It totally is! I love that show. I miss watching it ;A; Lizzie comes across as overbearing to me, and sometimes get tunnel vision as far as her own needs/wants are concerned (Boyfriend Helmet, anyone?) but yes, as you said she does have a heart of gold. When she stops being selfish long enough.
I kinda liked the UST between Numbah 1 and 5 though. Except I also like Numbah 5 and Heinrick(? htf do you spell his name? That German kid obsessed with candy) so I got no beef with Lizzie and Nigel.
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KND IS love. I only catch it on the mornings...WAY too early. LKSDFKSD. OMG. You've just got me in the mood for ship ranting, it's been a looong while since I've been on the mood. So anyway, to keep it at least a bit coherent. I never saw the 1/5 UST. And I saw UST between Myaxx/Tetrax obviously my brain is ultra selective. Or oblivious, obviously.
If I saw UST I'd confess, it was definitely from 2/5 (What with him having a massive crush on her sister and it being much more subtle after season 1). But, really, my OTP was 5/Heiney (IDK how to spell his name either!:( ). Specially when we saw he was a SHE the entire time. Les Yay! I love it when things like that pop up. Makes me want to write 5/Fem!Heiney fics. Curse you Time.
Okay, so, to the heart of everything (for me
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Until your fic, I never saw any UST between Tetrax and Myaxx but your fic certainly got me to thinking "You know, these two together could work!" And for me, the appeal of non-canon conflicting non-canon ships is the justification behind the ship that doesn't involve character bashing. And big issue I have with people "justifying" their canon-conflicting ships is that MAJORITY (not all, mind you) of them are "OMG A isn't good enough for B and clearly C is sooooooo much better than A. Also A sucks." and in certain slash pairings the undertone of "A sucks because A gets in the way of B and C! Also A has a vajayjay and that is reason enough for me to hate A."
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG CAN I PLZ 2 B HAVIN LESS MISOGYNY IN FANDOM? I get enough of that IRL, I don't want to see more of it in the things I escape to. /end side-rant
For me the 1/5 UST was more of equality between the characters. Like up until 1 came along, 5 had been their leader. The fact that she willingly or at least seemed reasonable enough to hand(ed) over the leadership role to 1 showed a certain level of respect the two shared. The UST in head isn't the same kind of UST I saw in 5/Heinrick (IDK if that's the spelling and IDC) which was a cross of Foe!yay and Twisted Friendship/obsession.
I guess to me, the 1/5 ship is more of a "You have your partner, I have mine and I'm fine with that. I will always wonder, though, what could have been between us had things been different."
Heiney being a girl was THE MOST EPIC AND GLEE-INDUCING MOMENT KND HAD FOR ME! Them being former BFFs and the intensity between them that makes the Foe!Yay and subsequent Les!Yay so much sweeter (lame candy pun ORZ). And really, 5 is my favorite both as a character and a number in general XDDDDDD I could never write KND fic because, well, no matter how awesome the characters are, my brain tells me "WTF THEY'RE KIDS! PEDO BAD! STOP! NO!" ;A; My squicks are too powerful to overcome even for the sake of ship.
Honestly, I loathe 3. I hate the yandere types (be they male or female but they generally seem to apply mostly to female wtf Japan!). I just do. I can't stand them alone. They always need a foil for me, which 4 is good enough to provide. So anything 3-centric without the presence of 4 makes me frowny-face big time. The rainbow monkey episodes just bore the fuck out of me and generally I prefer her evil little sister Mushi.
4 alone I can tolerate because he lays himself out for all the world to see. You know he's an ass and a jerk and is painfully shy about his feelings and is just no good with any emotion that isn't anger or cocky (and unfounded) arrogance. So I can take episodes where it's all about him as opposed to just 3.
86 is Fanny isn't she? It's been a while since I last saw the show and the wiki doesn't mention her. If she's the Scottish daughter of Mr. Boss, I like her. I honestly like her despite her two dimensional hate for boys and GRRRRL Power. She's the awkward, aggressive tsundere that believes in order to protect herself from getting hurt by others she has to hurt them first. And it takes a while for her to figure this out. Or at least I like to think that she takes some measure to handle her temper and realize that people (both boys and girls) will like her or at least willingly tolerate her out of genuine desire rather than out of obligation and duty if she stops taking everything as a personal affront/attack.
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Heck, in that birthday cake stealing episode where she "betrays" Nigel, she eventually realizes her feelings for him are deeper than wanting a taste of the cake and saves the day. Yes, she knew and understood what her actions would cause but she eventually realized that her own selfishness was nothing compared to what her boyfriend was fighting for.
And don't worry about the rant-dump XD I enjoy reading your take/thoughts n.n
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Aha, I’ll give it a go late when I have something drawn. I’m so low-tech >_>;;
I’m so the opposite of you. Mytrax was about the UST for me, everyone else? Whatevs! If they were part of other couples, I really wouldn’t care as long as there was a way to move through the other couple’s relationship. I hate character derailments though, so just because A and B are together doesn’t mean I have the right to tear them apart without some justification. For example: I think B and Z are better together. How? Why? It’d kill me to destroy a ship just because I don’t like it and without a solid or at least reasonable explanation. If I wrote Bwen I wouldn’t ignore Kevin, honestly couldn’t! Kevin is my least favorite character BUT he’s also a major part of Ben and Gwen’s life respectively. Canon are guidelines, and sure, I bend them, but I never pretend they don’t exist. If I did then I should just write an original piece and call it good. There are some aspects I change to fit my own canon, though, because Bwen wouldn’t happen since the show clearly shows any incest is totally ooc.
Now, I would totally do Bevin. It’s really obnoxiously in your face subtext (which is ironic). No incest and they do care for each other in that younger!boy idolizing older!bad!boy kind of way. Again I wouldn’t ignore Gwen! She’s not a bitch, she’s not unsupportive and she would not get so upset with Ben and/or Kevin she would kill them just because Ben stole her boyfriend/her boyfriend ditched her for another guy (she’d be upset, that’s for sure). This kind of set up is just for drama and creates a villain from a character that simply is not.
The misogyny of all fandoms is kind of blatant though. I’ve been in a lot of them and the most popular ones are always the boyxboy ones. I like girlxgirl ones though, so it kills me that fandom collectively ignores them just because a dick doesn’t hang between their legs. Like you said, it was an amazingly delicious moment when the boy Numbuh 5 had most chemistry with was a girl the entire time! Foe yay and ho yay turned into Les yay with a good helping of foe yay and childhood friends in there. Hell yeah.
It’s interesting you bring up the pedo aspect of this show. I have never, and will never see these kids as anything but kids. If I ever write fic for them (and it’s probably gonna happen at some point now), it will never exceed pg-13 (for probably violence since the show is naturally violent). If romance was introduced, the most the characters’d ever do would be…hold hand. Kiss on the cheek. Hug. Things the original show presented (myriad of innuendos aside). Or I’d age them up. 30+ so I’m not still straddling that ‘they still act like kids’ aspect they hold.
I am not a big supportive of kids + sex in fiction, even though it is a form of letting go of certain frustrations and of course it’s never good to cover up things that happen in real life (as fucked up and tragic as it all is). But that doesn’t make me feel great or okay about kids having sex. Just no. EW. That’s one of my biggest squicks and I am fairly hard to squick. (Fun fact: I JUST had this conversation with Reijiro75 a few weeks ago, so I was nodding my head along with your explanation of why you and writing for this show wouldn’t happen). I just think I’d enjoy a good fic featuring Numbuh 5/sexually confused!Heiny (I should really look up her name, and see what pronouns the show used before when she was a he).
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Numbuh 5 stepping down from leadership, to me seemed natural because she’s not really the type, at least not until later seasons and I haven’t seen a lot of them yet, and Numbuh 1 really is too strung up and action!guy to let someone else be in charge. 5 is smart. Stepping down was good for the team as a whole. She’s too l ax, he’s not, they’d tear each other apart if the roles didn’t reverse. She seemed like she wanted the best from the sector, not to maintain it.
Ugh. I am glad we agree on number 3. Season 1 was when she was at her best. Cute, clueless but not so over the top. I don’t watch any of her episodes (which makes me feel like a bad fan) because she’s almost always yelling obnoxiously (as is Lizzie, but there is a difference between the two and apparently I like the one everyone else dislikes. I like tsundere types tbh). Her sister does nothing for me either. Yandere types are really hard to like if they are not handled well and the 3/4 romance got way over the top because of it. And I love 4. He’s such a cute kid with his shyness and his lack of common sense. Plus I have a thing for character with bow cut hair cuts and short boys with bad tempers. I honestly wanted him happy and couldn’t see him with anyone but 3 since that’s the only girl he ever showed interest in. Tunnel vision, this kid.
86 is Fanny! And I like her yelling too. And her ‘dislike’ for boys is such a stereotype, but I like that the show gave her a chance to prove herself against the trope. She dislikes boys but she’s not above feeling flattered by their advances.
Just like normal 10 year old girls are. And she will kick the boy’s butt if he gets too fresh with her. Agreed of her brashness. She needs to relax, but that’s the way I like her. Yelling and being flustered easily and hard to get along with. Plus she’s really cute in her awkwardness.
Lizzie. Oh Lizzie. The things fandom has done to her. I just went to look for her intro episode and had no luck. I did find her in another episode and she’s just brilliant. She’s cute, she dresses up, and it’s been remarked, frequently, that she’s pretty. And extremely volatile. Oh, and she cares for ‘Nigey’. She’s superficial, sure, but her love for numbuh 1 isn’t/wasn’t. Besides. There’s a reason numbuh 1’s dating her. It’s not because he’s a masochist. He’s hardly the type (from what I’ve seen so far, but I could argue, given how much he’s always shouting to fight, maybe he is), and he’s really cute with her around. She rounds him out. Serious!paranoid!leader is whipped. It’s hilarious!
I’d really like to see something exploring how they first got introduced. They were rather randomly introduced. But still, seriously. If the characters from the show say she’s pretty, we gotta accept that’s what the in-universe is seeing. A pretty, fat (le gasp!) girl that wears glasses, is loud, bossy, overbearing, proactive, and wears whatever she wants. Just because the audience pretends she’s not doesn’t make it true. On that vein, I am pretty sure numbuh 2 is described as handsome by his fans. In his case fatness=/= ugly. Misogyny working here too. >_>
Huh. I’ve been putting a lot of thought into this show these days. I feel like such a massive dork. And really long-winded!
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The mere idea of breaking a canon couple up makes me ill and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. No matter how well written it is. Even if I don't agree with the pairing in a "FFFFF OGAD Y DEM!?" way like Mai and Zuko in AtLA. I always considered it as a one-sided thing and then Zuko started kissing Mai and I was like "WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN!!?" Zuko's mommy issues were too deep for me to consider him in any relationship that wasn't just friendship/camaraderie.
I know it might be taking the whole pairing thing seriously because "Dude, it's just fiction." However, if people believe a fictional relationship can be so easily broken up, what does that say about their views on real life relationships? I don't multiship because I can't separate my personal attachments to real life relationships from my fictional ones. I have had one too many friends who end up breaking up with their significant others despite being with them for like, four years, some even longer. So the idea that "Canon has A with B. But I think B is better with C and D and F and anyone who isn't A. Imma break A and B up even if canon shows they're happy together because I know it's all LIIIIIIIEEEEEES." makes me ill but hopeful that someday the world's population will just stop growing completely.
I know you don't write your fics with those reasons, but I refuse to read any fic breaking a canon couple up. No matter how amazingly well you write it. It's my non-negotiable. Just like writing kids + sex. No. Just. NO!
Plus, maybe I'm just old fashioned but relationships entail a lot of WORK. They're not the magical bliss happy happy rainbow lalalalalaaaaaa~ paradise people nowadays seem to expect it to be. They encounter a simple hitch in their relationship and suddenly they're crying "I WANNA BREAK UUUUUP!" or worse "I WANNA DIVOOOOORCE." JHC unless your partner was emotionally and/or physically abusing you, little inconveniences of him forgetting your birthday or her forgetting to pick up your dry cleaning should not be considered irreconcilable differences! Life isn't easy, relationships aren't easy, but they're still worth putting your effort into it!
Reminds me of this fantastic G.I. Joe fic I read (yes, I read GI Joe for the Beach Head and Cover Girl non-canon pairing. As well as the few, oh so very few, Xamot or Tomax and Lady Jaye fics) where Doc explains why he's married despite being with the Joes. It's not an easy lifestyle and it doesn't leave him with as much time as he'd like but he wouldn't give up what he has with his wife. Just because it's "hard." And yes, there are people and characters who have little to no spine so any conflict would merit an OTT "I can't deal with this!" response but when canon shows a mature character who can suck it up and tough it out acting like the first forgotten phone call is the worste thing EVAR?
I go: WAT WAT WAT? >:[
/RANTRANTRANT my GOD I am bitter.
I don't wear my slash goggles. My femme!slash goggles have been worn a couple of times but generally I am so vanilla heteronormative it's not funny. Yes, yes, even Mytrax and Darkcaster are vanilla heteronormal simply because one's male and one's female. Everything else about the pairing dynamic is fair game. (Remind me to post that analysis essay thing I have bubbling in the back of my head about why I like Mytrax and Darkcaster and why I like Gwevin so long as it's outside the context of Alien Force.) Even the whole JuliexGwen thing doesn't really appeal to me. I mean, Julie's cute and adorable but uh, personality-wise she and Gwen are more BFFs than GFFs. I used to like CharmcasterxGwen, but as I can't really multiship without feeling queasy to my stomach (I have issues, if that isn't totes obvious by now OTL) I stick to Gwevin and Darkcaster.
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As for Mushi, I liked her because she was "openly" manipulative to the audience. Her first appearance had her telling 5 something like "Took you long enough to use the I-admire-my-big-sis-soooooo-much trick." And suddenly that placed Mushi in a whole new light and I liked that I couldn't trust the character. Yeah, I have a thing for the manipulative sorts. But only in fiction and never IRL. Manipulative people IRL I avoid like the plague if I can spot them. But usually I can't so I end up getting used and taken advantage of but SUCH IS LIFE and I'm probably just paying off my karmic debt or some such and /ramble ramble ramble.
Yay Fanny fan! She is a very believable 10-year-old little girl as is Lizzie and despite the hilarious and over the top situations the show puts them in, it's great that they can react in surprisingly mature ways but still maintain the idealistic immaturity of childhood. I MISS THAT SHOW SO MUCH ;A; even for the creepy Delightful Children Down the Lane. Creepy hive mentality FTW~
I just think I'd enjoy a good fic featuring Numbuh 5/sexually confused!Heiny (I should really look up her name, and see what pronouns the show used before when she was a he).
If they were older I'd be all over that like white on rice. So much. Canonical surprise les yay! FTW! I don't mind 2/5, I really don't because I find it hilariously amusing that geeky dork 2 manages to get the cool chillax 5. Though he looked pretty good when he turned into a teenager. And now I wish I could draw so I can imagine what they'd look like as teens in KND art-style *0*
Ironic more like hypocritical that in the first response I say I can't multiship but here I am gleeing over 2/5, 1/5, and 5/Henrietta. I think it's because they're kids and that there's nothing sexual about it that I can handle the idea of 5 in multiple pairings depending on what particular "D'awwwww" I'm looking for. But I think it's also because KND as a show isn't about the pairings but the adventures and hijinx the characters go through.
It's how they act around each other, how they react, how they handle situations and scenarios while still being very uniquely them. KND is the show I watch for the show and not for the ship, which was my mistake with AF. I watched Ben 10 for the show. I watched AF for the ship. And when the ship's initial "canon-glow" dimmed, I realized the show is shit. And now the only episodes I watch are those with Darkstar because he's the only interesting thing about the show that doesn't completely break my brain and send me raaaaaaging. He's a complex character who can work with the good guys but is too selfish to ever stay on that side. Also he's voiced by Wil Wheaton and that's reason enough for me :D He makes for a good sparring partner for Charmcaster who in my headspace is a less bat-shit insane Azula but that's just probably me.
And agree so much with the way 1 acts around Lizzie. It was wonderful that they weren't an insta-couple. It took a couple of episodes before Nigel actually gave the idea of dating Lizzie a chance and eventually they did become a couple. The writers were wonderful in that show. They wrote a kid's show that appealed to an older generation. It's what's missing in a lot of the newer kids' shows, I fear. Like they can excuse the glaring holes in their logic because "It's a kid's show."
Ghostbusters was a kid's show. Mummies Alive! was a kid's show. Gargoyles was a kid's show. Ben 10 was a kid's show. Reboot was a kid's show. Visionaries was a kid's show. Centurions was a kid's show. GI Joe was a kid's show. Jem and the Holograms was a kid's show. And yet the writing was amazing and the characters (the adults in particular) were intelligent and still so much fun for the kids and the kids-at-heart who watch these shows. The characters are compelling and believable and I suddenly feel very old.
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