For those of you who have discovered Manna's "The Administration Series," here's a question for you. (And for those of you who haven't, you're missing the best original fic - and the most fascinating relationship - around!)
Marion talks to all kinds of people in her job. Warrick is probably not the only control freak at SimTech, or at the other places she worked prior to coming on board at SimTech. I imagine she's encountered resentful employees other than Warrick. But Warrick is the one who makes her lose her cool. I think that he has a very strong, very compelling personality, and a lot of insight into people.
Marion and Carnac most support your theory. I do think that with both of them, Warrick is able to penetrate their defenses to a disconcerting extent.
He knew and loved Kate, but he hadn't seen Warrick since Warrick was 2 years old. Kate was able to distance and betray her own son, Tarin, for The Administration, and since Sable clearly chose the Administration over Kate, I imagine he'd do the same if the choice were between Warrick and the Administration.
I don't see how Kate's feelings towards Tarin are applicable to Sable's feelings toward Warrick. My reading of Sable is that he is, like his son, a brilliant, charismatic personality, not so easily shaped and directed as Kate. At the time when he 'died,' he was probably in his 30's and at a time in his life when his career was paramount. Twenty years later, with a mature career, family (i.e., his children) may have greater weight than they did earlier.
He may have other children. Who knows?
Children as brilliant and compelling as Warrick? Doubtful.
Warrick is Sable's son. But Sable can't claim him, so there's no perpetuation of name, even if there is a perpetuation of DNA.
I may have misused the word,'dynastic.' Surely it is arguable that Sable would want the work of this brilliant son, this man he has gifted the world with, to flower as fully as possible. Having Warrick come to an untimely end would be cut off Sable's legacy to the world.
Even though Sable hasn't contacted Kate or his children since he 'died,' I feel it likely that he tracked them and knew a great deal about their lives. He would have the means to do so. While I don't remember any textual support for this theory, I think it consistent with the little we're shown of Sable's character.
I tend to think that Warrick, not Toreth, is the character that drives TAS, because without Warrick, we wouldn't have the incredibly satisfying, and seriously hot development of the Warrick/Toreth relationship. Toreth's increasing attraction to/need for Warrick is what moves the story along, but Warrick is the catalyst for the changes in Toreth's relatively barren emotional landscape and totally hedonistic existance.
I totally agree. I am just amazed at Manna's ability to give us two strong characters. Not a frequent occurrance. FanSee
Re: WarrickblkandwhtcatMarch 17 2007, 20:01:38 UTC
You make some good points. I can agree with most of them except maybe the one about Sable:
Even though Sable hasn't contacted Kate or his children since he 'died,' I feel it likely that he tracked them and knew a great deal about their lives. He would have the means to do so. While I don't remember any textual support for this theory, I think it consistent with the little we're shown of Sable's character.
In FATW, when we first "meet" Sable, I thought it was pretty clear that he had NOT followed Kate's life - or his children's lives - at all:
He had followed up the message that Kate was in danger from what he'd acknowledged to be a sentimental attachment to the memory of a woman he had not spoken to for a third of a lifetime. The letters handed to him so casually by his son had changed all that. In a way, he was glad that he hadn't seen them before. He had loved her, against all reason and protocol, from the first moment he had seen her. The years apart had blunted the memory of that and the pain of leaving her; a reminder so sharp, so vivid, delivered every week would have made those years unbearable.
and then
He had loved her, once. He loved her again before he finished the first page, and he loved her more with every letter. They had moved him, amused him, saddened him, and made him deeply grateful for everything she had worked so hard to give him. Thirty-five years of herself and their children, a life in words that now felt more real to him than his own. In return, he had given her a single month, and he bitterly regretted that it was all he had to give.
I took those passages to mean that Sable had not seen or followed the lives of Kate and the kids once he left. Of course, he tells HER that he kept asking to see her for years after they were separated. But since it's the same conversation in which he pretty much leads her to believe that he got her letters all along (instead of seeing them all for the first time the night before), and that they were finally going to be together again, for good, it's not reliable as something that is true. He's lying to her throughout the conversation, and throughout their month together, when he knows the entire time that he's eventually going to kill her. And unlike Warrick, Sable is a very good liar.
However, it does seem to indicate that Sable has developed a genuine pride in and affection for Warrick, so I think you're probably right that he would probably do just about anything to keep Warrick safe. And this is further supported by the fact that Sable agrees to Toreth's plan for saving Tarin's life by implicating him as an informant working with Kate for Cit Surveillance, for the purpose of keeping Warrick from doing something (else) dangerously stupid to try to save Tarin.
I think we've pretty much clarified our positions and met in the middle. However, that icon of Toreth is Not Nice. There are many better ones of Beckham, especially the head shot you used initial for this thread. FanSee
Marion and Carnac most support your theory. I do think that with both of them, Warrick is able to penetrate their defenses to a disconcerting extent.
He knew and loved Kate, but he hadn't seen Warrick since Warrick was 2 years old. Kate was able to distance and betray her own son, Tarin, for The Administration, and since Sable clearly chose the Administration over Kate, I imagine he'd do the same if the choice were between Warrick and the Administration.
I don't see how Kate's feelings towards Tarin are applicable to Sable's feelings toward Warrick. My reading of Sable is that he is, like his son, a brilliant, charismatic personality, not so easily shaped and directed as Kate. At the time when he 'died,' he was probably in his 30's and at a time in his life when his career was paramount. Twenty years later, with a mature career, family (i.e., his children) may have greater weight than they did earlier.
He may have other children. Who knows?
Children as brilliant and compelling as Warrick? Doubtful.
Warrick is Sable's son. But Sable can't claim him, so there's no perpetuation of name, even if there is a perpetuation of DNA.
I may have misused the word,'dynastic.' Surely it is arguable that Sable would want the work of this brilliant son, this man he has gifted the world with, to flower as fully as possible. Having Warrick come to an untimely end would be cut off Sable's legacy to the world.
Even though Sable hasn't contacted Kate or his children since he 'died,' I feel it likely that he tracked them and knew a great deal about their lives. He would have the means to do so. While I don't remember any textual support for this theory, I think it consistent with the little we're shown of Sable's character.
I tend to think that Warrick, not Toreth, is the character that drives TAS, because without Warrick, we wouldn't have the incredibly satisfying, and seriously hot development of the Warrick/Toreth relationship. Toreth's increasing attraction to/need for Warrick is what moves the story along, but Warrick is the catalyst for the changes in Toreth's relatively barren emotional landscape and totally hedonistic existance.
I totally agree. I am just amazed at Manna's ability to give us two strong characters. Not a frequent occurrance. FanSee
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Even though Sable hasn't contacted Kate or his children since he 'died,' I feel it likely that he tracked them and knew a great deal about their lives. He would have the means to do so. While I don't remember any textual support for this theory, I think it consistent with the little we're shown of Sable's character.
In FATW, when we first "meet" Sable, I thought it was pretty clear that he had NOT followed Kate's life - or his children's lives - at all:
He had followed up the message that Kate was in danger from what he'd acknowledged to be a sentimental attachment to the memory of a woman he had not spoken to for a third of a lifetime. The letters handed to him so casually by his son had changed all that. In a way, he was glad that he hadn't seen them before. He had loved her, against all reason and protocol, from the first moment he had seen her. The years apart had blunted the memory of that and the pain of leaving her; a reminder so sharp, so vivid, delivered every week would have made those years unbearable.
and then
He had loved her, once. He loved her again before he finished the first page, and he loved her more with every letter. They had moved him, amused him, saddened him, and made him deeply grateful for everything she had worked so hard to give him. Thirty-five years of herself and their children, a life in words that now felt more real to him than his own. In return, he had given her a single month, and he bitterly regretted that it was all he had to give.
I took those passages to mean that Sable had not seen or followed the lives of Kate and the kids once he left. Of course, he tells HER that he kept asking to see her for years after they were separated. But since it's the same conversation in which he pretty much leads her to believe that he got her letters all along (instead of seeing them all for the first time the night before), and that they were finally going to be together again, for good, it's not reliable as something that is true. He's lying to her throughout the conversation, and throughout their month together, when he knows the entire time that he's eventually going to kill her. And unlike Warrick, Sable is a very good liar.
However, it does seem to indicate that Sable has developed a genuine pride in and affection for Warrick, so I think you're probably right that he would probably do just about anything to keep Warrick safe. And this is further supported by the fact that Sable agrees to Toreth's plan for saving Tarin's life by implicating him as an informant working with Kate for Cit Surveillance, for the purpose of keeping Warrick from doing something (else) dangerously stupid to try to save Tarin.
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