6.18 How do you jump start an angel?

[blacklid]

I am mostly still

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[etoile444]

It's an odd thing you ask in the title of your post. There are battery cables in Bobby's living room when Cas comes in and collapses! Why?

I also think Dean didn't want to gank the phoenix just on the merit that he was a monster. Dean's sooo past that now. No, he needed the ashes, so phoenix guy (and his name that is hard for me to spell as apocalypse) had to go! Sam would have agreeed. He's well past his whiny stage (that'd be season one and a bit of season two).

I really enjoyed it all!

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[blacklid]

Hopefully, someone will ask Jim or Misha or Guy at a convention to elaborate. From what I understand, it was a gag that they cut from the scene. Perhaps Bobby tried to give Cas a little jump when he wouldn't wake up?

*hopes for the gag reel*

As for the phoenix and their reasons for ganking: I'm totally in agreement as to why they did it, but my point was about the moral ambiguity of it. As long as it's a monster, there are still no qualms from either of them about killing something relatively innocent: something that they learned when meeting Lenore that they have since un-learned. Maybe soon they will realize that some monsters would rather be human and be treated as such. What is a monster, anyway?

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[etoile444]

What is a monster? The big question show liked to ask in S2 to S4...then sort of back peddled on so that anything not human (including angels) was a monster. Anyways, that guy that attacked Elias' wife and then shot them both was easily the monster of the situation. Though Dean didn't gank him he did put him in that cell as bait knowing potentially he might get killed in the process.

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[percysowner]

Actually, I really wish Dean's answer would have been that he had to kill the phoenix because it had already happened and they had to have his ashes. As far as Sam and Dean knew at that point, history couldn't be changed and if it was, Castiel would have corrected it to begin with. In fact, since the original order of the show was supposed to be Frontierland then My Heart Will Go On, Sam and Dean would have believed that history couldn't be changed at all. I would have felt much better if Dean had killed the phoenix, but been regretful about it because, just like he couldn't save John and Mary, he also couldn't save the phoenix and change history either.

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[blacklid]

On one hand, I agree. It's the old, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. However! Moral ambiguity hasn't seemed to stop the angels from sending them back to learn from the past in order to change the future; Azazel was the first to use the tactic on Sam in Cold Oak, so the whole process makes me squeamish. I don't think it's quite the innocent, dis-affected venture as the angels lay it out to be. We've already seen Dean create a paradox and change the past by convincing John to buy the Impala back in '73. They have been allowed to make (and sometimes succeeded at making) changes in both the future and the past if it works to a particular advantage. Castiel allowed Balthazar to save the Titanic and generate new human lives, not because it was right but because it was useful to him. When he was confronted with the morality of his choice, he corrected it. I can only think that they changed the order of the episodes to make that line of separation between Castiel's choice and Dean's choice with the phoenix all the more obvious.