First-pass thoughts on the new Star Trek movie (2,500 words)

May 17, 2013 17:17

Saw Star Trek: All the Characters Cry Into Darkness last night with a group of local fangirls plus a bonus group ditto who'd picked the same showing. That was a nice follow-up experience to the 2009 Reboot, which I first saw in Boston with my grad school class + significant others + our program administrator. In an attempt to buoy my low ( Read more... )

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bironic May 20 2013, 23:40:04 UTC
I don't think that handling an issue with ham-handed obviousness is the same thing as handling an issue in such a way that it begins to seem like the writers have a trivial or shallow take on the matter (though they do tend to correlate quite a bit). that said, I do think that the discussion-of-topical-issues will ultimately read as trivial in a rewatch because the film doesn't seem to have much interest in investigating the questions it brings up in a deep way?

Good distinction, and good follow-up point! I'm going to have to see the movie again to be able to comment further.

it's interesting that they work to point out that Khan, regardless of the things he's done, should maybe still have a right to a trial! it's interesting that they problematize the issue of the military industrial complex! […] but. the questions get lost and somewhat muddled in the rollercoastering of the rest of the movie

I'll say-I don't even remember the line about the trial nor recall how much explicit attention was paid to the military-industrial complex. :D See also: the above.

I don't know if you saw Prometheus, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on that comparison? if you have any, of course.

Ha, I actually have an outline for a follow-up post because I think it'll be illuminating-er, for me, anyway-to compare my reaction to STID to my reactions to Prometheus (which I just saw a few weeks ago) and the new Superman trailer. (1) Because basically I gave Prometheus more leeway on the sloppy messaging and ridiculous pseudoscience, which I suspect is related to my level of canon devotion (infinitely lower Alien series than for Star Trek) as well as my tendency to look for something good (or bad) in a media source if popular opinion is skewed far in the other direction. There is also a difference there in that the original canon creator made the Alien prequel, whereas for Trek there's more of a feeling of the canon being hijacked by someone who doesn't seem to love or want to stay true to its origins. And (2) because as a casual fan of Superman I am not as invested in what they repeat or "ruin" in the latest rehash, beyond general annoyance at Hollywood's shrinking lag time between reboots and its aversion to doing something new; I'm happy to try it out and enjoy Michael Shannon as what looks like Zod. Which is probably how a lot of people felt about STID & Benedict Cumberbatch.

…Well, there, that is half the post I'm planning to make. :)

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cold_clarity May 22 2013, 19:52:34 UTC
Ha, I actually have an outline for a follow-up post because I think it'll be illuminating-er, for me, anyway-to compare my reaction to STID to my reactions to Prometheus (which I just saw a few weeks ago) and the new Superman trailer.

I'm excited to read it!

(1) Because basically I gave Prometheus more leeway on the sloppy messaging and ridiculous pseudoscience, which I suspect is related to my level of canon devotion (infinitely lower Alien series than for Star Trek) as well as my tendency to look for something good (or bad) in a media source if popular opinion is skewed far in the other direction.

it's funny; I didn't dislike Prometheus--I actually paid to see it twice. I enjoyed the sci-fi-thriller-horror aspect of it, and I had fun cheering for the xenomorph monsters at certain points (maybe this says something about me?). I didn't really get frustrated with the film until I started discussing it with other people, and we tried to hash out the various thematic explorations that it carried out (or failed to carry out). and, interested though I am in the examination of faith, divinity, and wonder, those themes felt pretty inelegantly stitched into a franchise that already had a lot of dense material to explore vis-a-vis the nature of horror, the grotesque, gender, sexuality, rage, violence, and the phenomenology of the body.

...actually, now that I say this, I don't want to imply that investigations of faith, divinity, wonder, or awe is somehow mutually exclusive from the issues of grotesquerie and the soma (in fact, given a certain lens, they could be seen as inextricable)--but Prometheus seemed to have a hard time weaving those topics together and struck me as being more interested in the divinity/awe question, leaving the psychosexual horror stuff to just get sort of...tacked on because it's expected of the Alien franchise.

There is also a difference there in that the original canon creator made the Alien prequel, whereas for Trek there's more of a feeling of the canon being hijacked by someone who doesn't seem to love or want to stay true to its origins

this is actually a fascinating point! Ridley Scott was the director on Prometheus, but Damon Lindelof was one of the two main writers credited on the project. given that Scott never exhibited much interest in the divinity/awe/wonder stuff in the original Alien (though I can't speak for the Alien sequels, since I never saw them), I'm going to assume (and have been told by others who know his work better than I do) that Lindelof is responsible for the questions of faith and belief popping up throughout the story. Lindelof is also credited as one of the main writers for STID, and he and Abrams have a relationship going back at least as far as Lost (both of them worked as executive producers, as well as writers, for that series)...and I'm nnnnot really sure what point I'm trying to draw out here, except that maybe jarring scriptwriting is typical of Lindelof and/or Abrams?

who knows, really. either way, I'm excited for your post!

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cold_clarity May 22 2013, 19:56:00 UTC
also, I'm sorry that I keep leaving you mile-long replies! I hope I'm not coming off as...overly argumentative (or just straight-up obnoxious). I tend to uncover my own thoughts better through conversation, so...here I am? thanks for letting me chatter on, at least!

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