Before someone gets blasted with lazer vision and the entire world explodes, can I please put to rest the accusation that I am bashing or hating on the idea of Kaoru and Die being in hot, hot love
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Re: (...sorry I dunno what's going on with this comment thing)civilized_eraJune 26 2007, 16:10:15 UTC
I appreciate this - no, really, I do; now that it's not past midnight when I'm prone to like, that dull-headaching that makes everything kind of suck, I appreciate that you took the time to explain yourself by answering the questions I brought up - this isn't meant to sound condenscending, I just want to say, it's very nice you did this, and thank you.
Maybe I should really correct myself when I say that I don't have a problem with DxK. Because I guess, now that I think about it, I do.
I appreciate this too, because while I can't say I really understand further than what I did yesterday (though my curiosity is roused, and I'm still wondering: do you enjoy the pairing, but only from a RL aspect? The tangible moments you yourself can witness in concerts/DVDs/whatever else, and...nothing else can compare? Is that what you're saying?) I appreciate this reevaluation, and I think it's my turn to admit that my wariness/hackles were automatically raised at the mention of Kaoru and DxK. From what I can gather, these two subjects are something we both care a lot about - but even while making my opinions known, I certainly didn't want to create any kind of drama, and I'm sorry it happened (and btw I double-certainly don't want you apologizing for holding ones that are different from mine, that would be ridiculous and pointless because then what would we talk about? D:)
But now that the point of your earlier entry is clearer to me, I hope that you can understand why I said what I did, since it turns out that DxK characterization in fanfic is the cause for a good chunk of your frustrations with its portrayal, and therefore...it's difficult to swallow, I think, because my fellow DxK writers and I believe that we actually do good work; however we may translate our interpretations of Die and Kaoru into fiction and art, it is all done with that irrational (but significant!) care and affinity we feel for and towards these faraway people. We're inspired by them, and it's a beautiful thing, a good thing! and it's perfectly reasonable to defend what we've created since it derives from something we care so much about.
And using that as a segueway, I do have a load of questions because I've never...quite encountered an opinion like yours before, when it comes to DxK - and oh god, I don't mean to sound so clinical, believe me when I say I'm just very very curious - because you like other Kaoru pairings, yes? Is it the same way with them? Or is it only with DxK that you have this opinion - in which Kaoru is not portrayed as you'd see fit? Does that have something to do with the real and evident DxK moments that aren't just wishful thinking but are undeniably two human beings interacting on a level that is more than platonic? (and how is that so farfetched anyway, I've never understood this - everyone has the capability to love and feel more, what makes them so special as to say they can't?) And how do you view DxK anyway? How do you view their relationship so that, instead of being "Die's pretty piece of winning trophy meat," Kaoru is portrayed so that DxK works for you? (and if this is too much, maybe we can try MSN :x because seriously, I'm really interested, if you're interested in sharing)
Re: (...sorry I dunno what's going on with this comment thing)birkenauJune 26 2007, 17:06:22 UTC
I do want to say thank you for not falling asleep halfway through that last comment, because when I finished it, I couldn't believe how long I had rambled. I suppose I went so in detail because I do realize how important this subject is to you, because like you said, it's the same for us both.
It's understandable that you guys took what I said the way you did, because as many disagreements as I may have with you on the way you go about it, you still do marvelous work with that pairing--and it's so painfully obvious, how important and close to you that work, and the pairing itself, really is. I am glad that we are both much clearer on the importance of the issue for one another.
I have held the opinions that I do about this issue for quite a while, and because I know how much passion you put into it, it's why I kept it to myself for so long. You do produce good work--wonderful work. There is no debate about that, what is done in the DxK fandom is phenomonal. I suppose that's why the portrayals and ideas within this pairing bother me so much. It's not the only pairing that I feel this is done in, but because everything within the realm of DxK is so utterly gorgeous most of the time (despite my obvious reservations) and because you guys, as amazing writers, have so much, well--influence on so many people, to me I just see so much, I don't know.. going to waste? It's like, if these people can really be this full of passion about this pairing, just think of what they could do if only...
It's just sort of frustrating when I see such potential not played to it's fullest (and by fullest, I mean that it honestly pains me to see Kaoru portrayed in such in a way, but even more so when it's contained in such a respectable piece of work--people who don't know any better stop questioning it, and begin taking it for fact because of who it's coming from and because they can surely be trusted; and that's not personal at all, just a generalization of the process, monkey see monkey do), and of course this is my own opinion, because most are probably sure that everything about what you do is perfect, and no, there is nothing wrong with that because it's art, and will always be interpreted differently by different people. That's the beauty.
Now (if it's not too entirely confusing) tie all of the above, with all of my feelings stated about Kaoru from before, and that's a pretty good sum of my main reasonings behind every bit of my original opinion. I don't mind elaborating in more detail or answering your questions at all though, but MSN would most certainly be a better bet, because I don't know how many more of these novelesque comments I can force myself to endure while remaining even slightly coherant.
Maybe I should really correct myself when I say that I don't have a problem with DxK. Because I guess, now that I think about it, I do.
I appreciate this too, because while I can't say I really understand further than what I did yesterday (though my curiosity is roused, and I'm still wondering: do you enjoy the pairing, but only from a RL aspect? The tangible moments you yourself can witness in concerts/DVDs/whatever else, and...nothing else can compare? Is that what you're saying?) I appreciate this reevaluation, and I think it's my turn to admit that my wariness/hackles were automatically raised at the mention of Kaoru and DxK. From what I can gather, these two subjects are something we both care a lot about - but even while making my opinions known, I certainly didn't want to create any kind of drama, and I'm sorry it happened (and btw I double-certainly don't want you apologizing for holding ones that are different from mine, that would be ridiculous and pointless because then what would we talk about? D:)
But now that the point of your earlier entry is clearer to me, I hope that you can understand why I said what I did, since it turns out that DxK characterization in fanfic is the cause for a good chunk of your frustrations with its portrayal, and therefore...it's difficult to swallow, I think, because my fellow DxK writers and I believe that we actually do good work; however we may translate our interpretations of Die and Kaoru into fiction and art, it is all done with that irrational (but significant!) care and affinity we feel for and towards these faraway people. We're inspired by them, and it's a beautiful thing, a good thing! and it's perfectly reasonable to defend what we've created since it derives from something we care so much about.
And using that as a segueway, I do have a load of questions because I've never...quite encountered an opinion like yours before, when it comes to DxK - and oh god, I don't mean to sound so clinical, believe me when I say I'm just very very curious - because you like other Kaoru pairings, yes? Is it the same way with them? Or is it only with DxK that you have this opinion - in which Kaoru is not portrayed as you'd see fit? Does that have something to do with the real and evident DxK moments that aren't just wishful thinking but are undeniably two human beings interacting on a level that is more than platonic? (and how is that so farfetched anyway, I've never understood this - everyone has the capability to love and feel more, what makes them so special as to say they can't?) And how do you view DxK anyway? How do you view their relationship so that, instead of being "Die's pretty piece of winning trophy meat," Kaoru is portrayed so that DxK works for you? (and if this is too much, maybe we can try MSN :x because seriously, I'm really interested, if you're interested in sharing)
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I do want to say thank you for not falling asleep halfway through that last comment, because when I finished it, I couldn't believe how long I had rambled. I suppose I went so in detail because I do realize how important this subject is to you, because like you said, it's the same for us both.
It's understandable that you guys took what I said the way you did, because as many disagreements as I may have with you on the way you go about it, you still do marvelous work with that pairing--and it's so painfully obvious, how important and close to you that work, and the pairing itself, really is. I am glad that we are both much clearer on the importance of the issue for one another.
I have held the opinions that I do about this issue for quite a while, and because I know how much passion you put into it, it's why I kept it to myself for so long. You do produce good work--wonderful work. There is no debate about that, what is done in the DxK fandom is phenomonal. I suppose that's why the portrayals and ideas within this pairing bother me so much. It's not the only pairing that I feel this is done in, but because everything within the realm of DxK is so utterly gorgeous most of the time (despite my obvious reservations) and because you guys, as amazing writers, have so much, well--influence on so many people, to me I just see so much, I don't know.. going to waste? It's like, if these people can really be this full of passion about this pairing, just think of what they could do if only...
It's just sort of frustrating when I see such potential not played to it's fullest (and by fullest, I mean that it honestly pains me to see Kaoru portrayed in such in a way, but even more so when it's contained in such a respectable piece of work--people who don't know any better stop questioning it, and begin taking it for fact because of who it's coming from and because they can surely be trusted; and that's not personal at all, just a generalization of the process, monkey see monkey do), and of course this is my own opinion, because most are probably sure that everything about what you do is perfect, and no, there is nothing wrong with that because it's art, and will always be interpreted differently by different people. That's the beauty.
Now (if it's not too entirely confusing) tie all of the above, with all of my feelings stated about Kaoru from before, and that's a pretty good sum of my main reasonings behind every bit of my original opinion. I don't mind elaborating in more detail or answering your questions at all though, but MSN would most certainly be a better bet, because I don't know how many more of these novelesque comments I can force myself to endure while remaining even slightly coherant.
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