K/S slash fun: Spectre of the Gun

[bigmamag]

So weeks and weeks ago I wrote up a thing on Spectre of the Gun, but livejournal ate it. Now I write out long entries like that on google docs first and finally enough time has finally passed in which I feel like talking about it again. This is actually sort of long because I'm getting way too versed in TOS and so I make connections like a Connect

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[vipersunjoy]

here's small detail that i cannot agree with Turnabout Intruder ... Kirk acknowledging that Spock is closer to him than anyone in the universe. IMHO Kirk was either saying out loud smth he had already told Spock once or smth they had both known w/t needing even to say it out loud. I mean in that exact scene Kirk's task was to convince Spock, to prove to him that he's Jim and not some random evil bitch - so he had to think of what to say, he had to say smth they BOTH KNOW so that Spock would believe it's actually Jim before him.
Offtop i guess but i'd like to share with you smth else i've noticed about this episode and i wish to discuss it with you - i'm sure that they meant 'you know his thoughts' not as part of Spock having telephatic mind but as part of 'you know his thoughts' because 'you're closer to the captain than anyone else in the universe'. Kirk pointed out that Spock is the closest to him person in the whole universe - someone who really knows him, what's going on in his head *because they're bonded? can we consider 'closer than anyone' line as Kirk talking about the bond they share? i believe it's possible if we suppose that Spock and Kirk had already figured out existence of bond*. And because Spock knows him so well Kirk asks him to use his telephatic mind in order to see - whether she's really Jim Kirk *i believe Spock didn't figured it out before via bond b/c he had been blocking it since the very moment they had found out about bond. Blocking b/c he had already made decision about kolinahr after having huge freak out finding out about bond or freak out about feelings even before they had found out about bond*. What do you think?

[bigmamag]

I definitely meant know his thoughts because he's close to the captain than anyone in the universe. I mean, he says Spock knows his thoughts after first saying Spock's closer to him than anyone in the universe, and only ends with 'what does you telepathic mind tell you now?' to give Spock permission to meld with him.

I'm totally not a person who believes they had a bond prior to the movies, but I don't outright discount the possibility either, if that makes sense. I know the theory of Spock and Kirk accidentally bonding during Amok Time because it explains how Spock was able to come out of the fever better than just 'because of the combat', but I pretty much don't buy this based on the fact that there is just no evidence, plus the idea of accidentally bonding in canon is limited to a ST Voyager episode 'Blood Fever' in which a Vulcan performs a shallow meld and established a 'mating bond' with a non-Vulcan, which we don't see Spock and Kirk melding even a little bit, plus the mating bond gives the receiver the same symptoms of pon farr, so Kirk would have went through the effects himself.

But if you want to say that their telepathic connection was strong enough to overcome that limit, more power to you and I've definitely read fics that make me fond of the idea. So it's fun making conjecture, but it's not my own personal canon. I just love the idea more of Spock's grief defeating the effects of pon farr, them not knowing how the other truly feels, and Spock leaving for Vulcan because he's scared of his feelings. I think if he'd been bonded to Kirk, he would have known how Kirk felt and really would have been less likely to leave for the kolinahr.

[vipersunjoy]

[i]I definitely meant know his thoughts because he's close to the captain than anyone in the universe. I mean, he says Spock knows his thoughts after first saying Spock's closer to him than anyone
i'm glad to hear that. I felt i needed to share my pov b/c i know people who believe Spock 'is closer...' and knows Kirk's thoughts B/C of his telephatic mind only. And i go same impression watching episode for the 1st time. But during rewatch it was like OMG I WAS SOOOO WRONG HOW COULD I BE SO BLIND???

i do not insist on existence of bond but i really like the idea and actually i see proofs of that, the problem is that if i say there's no mental connection between them, i won't know what to do with those details, i mean how to explain them otherwise. so i tend to believe there is bond *i mean bond as powerful mental connection not as them being already married* and not just some kind of link for i don't believe just a simple link could bring Kirk's thoughts to Spock through the galaxy.