K/S slash fun: Spectre of the Gun

Apr 22, 2010 08:46

So weeks and weeks ago I wrote up a thing on Spectre of the Gun, but livejournal ate it. Now I write out long entries like that on google docs first and finally enough time has finally passed in which I feel like talking about it again. This is actually sort of long because I'm getting way too versed in TOS and so I make connections like a Connect ( Read more... )

meta, picspam, their love is oh so canon, space husbands, 40 years too late episode reaction

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vipersunjoy April 22 2010, 18:52:20 UTC
I LOVE YOUT META! ALL OF THEM. THIS IS MY CONFESSION OF UNDYING LOVE FOR YOUR ST METAS.

you're absolutely right that Kirk is the only one whom Spock allows to see his human part. even though Kirk loves teasing Spock about emotions he never does in agressive way. it's just teasing. Spock alway plays Vulcan card. BUT. The very moment there's something wrong with Kirk, when Kirk needs emotional support - Spock's always THERE. I mean in PILOT EPISODE Spock being all the vulcan the whole episode during last few minutes of the shows says to sad Kirk 'i felt for him too'. SPOCK ADMITS HE HAS FEELING. and not like 'yeah, vulcans do have feelings but we suppress and ignore it' - Spock says that he has feelings and he feels bad for Mitchell like right nao. and he does it not to prove some point. He does it to make Kirk feel better.

and YES. KIRK IS ALWAYS THERE TO DEFEND HIS BF's HONOR. He shuts up everyone. BTW that's been happenning right from the very beginnig as well - remember scene where doctor Dehner was very nasty with Spock? yep, that one.

and when i watched this episode for the very 1dts time - when Mccoy and Scotty started misbehaving i was SURE Kirk will stand up for Spock. And YES. he DID.

and BTW Kirk always shuts up ppl but never says anything like 'come on, Spock HAS feelings' or 'he's half-human' or 'actually vulcans do feel they just hide it well'.

Mind-meld scene makes me SO HOT. i wish there were JUST KIRK AND SPOCK ALL ALONE. crap. i think i need a shower.

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bigmamag April 23 2010, 16:38:12 UTC
:D I do try to write acceptable meta.

I love that about Spock, about how he lets Kirk see his humanity and no one else. And also, if you notice, there are lots of times when McCoy looks at Spock and Spock will go to comfort Kirk, like McCoy knows that, somehow, Spock can set Kirk at ease. ♥

Oh yes, definitely with Kirk protecting Spock. My favorite is him dressing Riley down on the bridge during Balance of Terror for being bigoted about Spock.

Hope your shower was refreshing. ;)

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vipersunjoy April 23 2010, 23:16:56 UTC
here's small detail that i cannot agree with Turnabout Intruder ... Kirk acknowledging that Spock is closer to him than anyone in the universe. IMHO Kirk was either saying out loud smth he had already told Spock once or smth they had both known w/t needing even to say it out loud. I mean in that exact scene Kirk's task was to convince Spock, to prove to him that he's Jim and not some random evil bitch - so he had to think of what to say, he had to say smth they BOTH KNOW so that Spock would believe it's actually Jim before him.
Offtop i guess but i'd like to share with you smth else i've noticed about this episode and i wish to discuss it with you - i'm sure that they meant 'you know his thoughts' not as part of Spock having telephatic mind but as part of 'you know his thoughts' because 'you're closer to the captain than anyone else in the universe'. Kirk pointed out that Spock is the closest to him person in the whole universe - someone who really knows him, what's going on in his head *because they're bonded? can we consider 'closer than anyone' line as Kirk talking about the bond they share? i believe it's possible if we suppose that Spock and Kirk had already figured out existence of bond*. And because Spock knows him so well Kirk asks him to use his telephatic mind in order to see - whether she's really Jim Kirk *i believe Spock didn't figured it out before via bond b/c he had been blocking it since the very moment they had found out about bond. Blocking b/c he had already made decision about kolinahr after having huge freak out finding out about bond or freak out about feelings even before they had found out about bond*. What do you think?

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bigmamag April 24 2010, 05:02:55 UTC
I definitely meant know his thoughts because he's close to the captain than anyone in the universe. I mean, he says Spock knows his thoughts after first saying Spock's closer to him than anyone in the universe, and only ends with 'what does you telepathic mind tell you now?' to give Spock permission to meld with him.

I'm totally not a person who believes they had a bond prior to the movies, but I don't outright discount the possibility either, if that makes sense. I know the theory of Spock and Kirk accidentally bonding during Amok Time because it explains how Spock was able to come out of the fever better than just 'because of the combat', but I pretty much don't buy this based on the fact that there is just no evidence, plus the idea of accidentally bonding in canon is limited to a ST Voyager episode 'Blood Fever' in which a Vulcan performs a shallow meld and established a 'mating bond' with a non-Vulcan, which we don't see Spock and Kirk melding even a little bit, plus the mating bond gives the receiver the same symptoms of pon farr, so Kirk would have went through the effects himself.

But if you want to say that their telepathic connection was strong enough to overcome that limit, more power to you and I've definitely read fics that make me fond of the idea. So it's fun making conjecture, but it's not my own personal canon. I just love the idea more of Spock's grief defeating the effects of pon farr, them not knowing how the other truly feels, and Spock leaving for Vulcan because he's scared of his feelings. I think if he'd been bonded to Kirk, he would have known how Kirk felt and really would have been less likely to leave for the kolinahr.

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vipersunjoy April 24 2010, 06:09:58 UTC
[i]I definitely meant know his thoughts because he's close to the captain than anyone in the universe. I mean, he says Spock knows his thoughts after first saying Spock's closer to him than anyone
i'm glad to hear that. I felt i needed to share my pov b/c i know people who believe Spock 'is closer...' and knows Kirk's thoughts B/C of his telephatic mind only. And i go same impression watching episode for the 1st time. But during rewatch it was like OMG I WAS SOOOO WRONG HOW COULD I BE SO BLIND???

i do not insist on existence of bond but i really like the idea and actually i see proofs of that, the problem is that if i say there's no mental connection between them, i won't know what to do with those details, i mean how to explain them otherwise. so i tend to believe there is bond *i mean bond as powerful mental connection not as them being already married* and not just some kind of link for i don't believe just a simple link could bring Kirk's thoughts to Spock through the galaxy.

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