On Seraphim

[lhynard]

A while ago, I asked the question, "Just what exactly is a cherub?" I received a mostly satisfactory answer from kaph that confirms what I have since researched on my own. A cherub seems to have been basically a winged sphinx -- a winged bull or lion with a man's face -- in ancient near-eastern mythology. They were known to more that just the ancient

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[mathiasroesel]

Cherubim are mentioned

[lhynard]

Ezekiel mentions cherubim in 9:3; 10:1.4.7.9.14-16.18-19; 11:22; 28:14.16; 41:18.20. In other words, the four winged creatures of the opening vision are not called cherubim.
No, actually, he specifically says something to the effect of, "These cherubim were the same as the 4 living creatures I saw earlier."

In Nu, if the word is in apposition, it strengthens the argument.That said, one might conclude that the apposition in Num 21:6 signifies that those snakes set free by the Lord actually were angels.
could be...

Interesting, I've never heard the "camel" idea, though I once saw some guy try to explain the "serpent" as an ape!

[mathiasroesel]

Those khayot (creatures) are mentioned Ez. 1:5.13.15.19; 3:13. In none of the verses is a cherub or cherubim mentioned. Khayot and cherubim are not the same in Ezekiel

[lhynard]

After giving an extremely similar description to the creatures in chapt 1 (by the Kebar River), he says in Ezekiel 10:15:Then the cherubim rose upward. These were the living creatures I had seen by the Kebar River.
It is blatantly clear that the creatures and the cherubim are one and the same within the text.

[mathiasroesel]

OMG, yes you are right and I was wrong. All the rest of chapter 10 speaks the same. I feel like 10:20b "and I realized they were cherubim". Sorry for my stubbornness.

[lhynard]

no problem

[mathiasroesel]

Couldn't find it out because Ezekiel uses the singular form khayyah in ch. 10 as opposed to plural at the other instances. Never too much trust a computer programme, always double check text with your own eyes.