fight war, not wars

Nov 02, 2004 19:55

So, a lot of Bush supporters are really against abortion because it's murder. Wouldn't you think they would be against war also? People certainly die in wars. I mean, yeah abortion is murder but so is shooting a human being with a gun or blowing up a home with a bomb. This just makes no sense to me. I guess it's ok to murder as long as the ( Read more... )

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benweasel November 2 2004, 21:47:53 UTC
I have a lot to say but I have shit to do(important tests this week). So I'll TRY to keep it brief.

I think comparing WWII to the war now is kind of silly considering they're obviously VERY different wars.

When I say Logic>God. I mean that the president can believe whatever the fuck he wants to believe but I can only hope he doesn't use his religion to help him make decisions that effect our country. I know you're going to say "well why shouldnt he? blah blah blah" but try to understand my point of view. People make decisions everyday that effect their lives. The choices are sometimes inspired by religious beliefs. The President makes decisions that effect MY life. I would like it if he kept his religion at HOME and and I would hope it doesn't effect decisions he makes that effect ME. I don't need to give examples because it's a broad topic. But I know you understand what I'm talking about.

I don't think abortion is right, neither do you, neither does your buddy Bush. But it's not MY decision to tell someone what they can and cannot do. If a woman wants to have an abortion, it's a very serious and very personal thing and it's not my place to tell her she can't.

About campaign money. Bush and Kerry are both loaded. They could afford to feed some(a few thousand) people and still have tons of money left over. Give money where money is needed. It doesn't seem like they do. Yes, promoting will help them get elected and as president they can make positive change. But if I saw either using some money to feed some people who need it, I know it'd would win me over. I think both Bush and Kerry are jerks. I also think both parties are fucked.

I support BADNARIK because I think he would be a better president than the current. i'm for human rights. I don't agree with a great deal of things Bush has done but I know you've heard all that shit before.

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avianchaos November 2 2004, 22:05:13 UTC
Well, nowhere did I compare anything to Iraq. I didn't even say the word "Iraq." We're only talking about murder. Is all killing murder? It's a simple question, and I provided an example to show that no, all killing isn't murder, because sometimes it's necessary and is a good thing for the world. What do you think - is all killing murder?

Your argument makes sense, but I can't agree with it. Let's say that there are two types of people who run for president - those who believe in a God of somekind (be it Allah, God, whatever), and those who don't. Now, the people who are religious believe their lives should be governed by God and His influence. The athiests disagree and think God should have no part. Now, no matter whether the president is religious or not, he goes against the wishes of one of the groups. He either offends the religious or the athiests. It simply can't be avoided.

That said, I think it's fine to have a preference that agrees with your personal beliefs, but you have to realize that saying "I don't want a Christian president who uses religion in his decisions" is like saying "I don't want a Democratic president who uses policies I don't like." It just doesn't fly.

That's fine, about abortion. So do you think that people who are pro-life only care about American babies? Or is anti-abortion simply a hypocritical American movement?

Hehe. So by giving money to starving people, Kerry would win your vote? Wouldn't that just be considered more campaign money designed to win the votes of people like you who don't like either candidate or are undecided? Or does it not matter, since he helped people anyway?

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benweasel November 2 2004, 22:10:00 UTC
UUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

You're picking out small things of what I said and looking way to into them. I disagree with you on almost everything.

The Libertarian Party makes the most sense to me. The others don't.

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benweasel November 2 2004, 22:14:54 UTC
Also, you should know that everytime you comment on my journal I want to just hit the CAPS key and type "SHUT THE FUCK UP" but I don't want to be mean. I know your views. You're a typical Convervative Christian in kingwood. That doesn't mean I don't like you because I DO have friends who share similiar beliefs, but stop trying to get a debate going. I'm not interested because I'm sick to death of debating with people.

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avianchaos November 2 2004, 22:31:12 UTC
What, and you're not a typical teenage American liberal? Let's not play around with labels. Answer some questions, instead.

I'm not trying to get a debate going. I haven't questioned anyone but you - and that was only because you posted about it. If you post about it, you have to expect a response. Otherwise, what would be the point of writing about it? So you can have your friends agree with you? Right. I'm just interested in what you think, that's all.

I haven't picked out small things you said and looked into them. I returned the conversation to its original topic - I brought it back to the comments you made in your original post. So you're libertarian; that's great. Feel free to answer the questions I asked at any time.

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ahh_les_homards November 3 2004, 00:19:37 UTC
For someone who loves to express his opinion all the time it sure seems like you get upset when someone is more knowledgeable than you are, John. And campaign money is money given for campaigns, not either candidates personal spending money for the poor. That's what food drives are for. Stop getting so irritated and then pretending like you're not because you can't back anything up as well as Luke.

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benweasel November 3 2004, 06:28:33 UTC
sorry mario, I better watch it or one of your friends might throw me down the stairs.

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ahh_les_homards November 3 2004, 10:57:47 UTC
Everyone keeps bringing that up like I care. That issue is between Lauren and Tommy. She got him kicked out, he needs to talk to her and leave me the hell alone.

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benweasel November 3 2004, 06:12:48 UTC
I'm actually not a typical teenage american liberal. Libertarian doesnt equal liberal.

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rockrollchicken November 3 2004, 13:32:51 UTC
Id just like to say that in order to pay for kerry's campagin, i believe he took out a mortgage on his house. So it isnt just everyine elses money.

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japtastic November 3 2004, 19:02:08 UTC
his wife's money from her dead husband helped too

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