Have you ever read the anti-semite and the jew? I don't want to spoil it for you, Jean-Paul Sartre is one of my favorite writers.
Unrelated to the book, I'm just saying that this system is what some people want. Improvement by one standard is regression by another. Your case seems to be that people should constantly be working towards their own ideal. I generally seem follow a non-Aristotelian logic system, and think that this is very dogmatic, and so choose not to agree. Beyond that, trying to change things in one place to conform to a model already present in another seems redundant to me.
(in my analogy, the balls were supposed to represent yourself, not your country. i suppose you could look at it the other way, which brings a fantastic isomorphism, that being between your position and alex's)
my brain was washed by a dicordian, a taoist and a physicist (bob wilson, alan watts, niels bohr). all of their major conclusions were that there "is" no objective reality (maybe i should also include korzybski). i believe that is why i tend to not comment on arguments. both sides ususally seem dogmatic and unreceptive to alternate explanations.
I truly do sympathize with your beliefs, and Alex's. I think that it should be a top priority of everybody to work towards peace and good spirits within these places we live. Never wars, only diplomacy.
first, thanx for the respectful comment(not sarcasm).
i see where you're comming from, and you seem to know damn well what you're talkin bout, so i respect what you're saying. but i can't say i agree(surprise surprise, no change of opinion :-P), prob due to a different up bringing and beliefs. a lot of times arguments may seem dogmatic, but everything when boiled down to it's core is dogmatic, you're own personal comment was dogmatic, the difference is it's kind of the lack there of it(like how an athiest's belief is their lack of it, if that makes sence). for me, what it boils down to is who has their facts straight and can show that their opinions can work because they have factual backing.
As far as progression = regretion, i think people should still follow their beliefs of what they think would be the best way to help out SOCIETY and give as much freedom as they can, since that's what america is about. there's always 2 choices at least, and all of them are NEVER perfect, but one is always the closest to it. it's like, which option should we chose if we wanna get to 10: 1: two steps forward 4 back 2: 5 steps forward 3 steps back 3:8 steps forward 1 step back obviously number three, and it's usually clear which one would be the closest step to moving towards freedom without taking more away.
don't sympathise for me. i don't need sympathy for my veiws, im in COMPLETE content with them. my top priority is peace and happyness, but i'm not gonna be unrealistic and say that it's what WILL happen. i'm pretty fatalistic and know the world will always suck to a degree, but for me it's about getting as close as we can, and if there's an option of 6 happy people with 4 sad as opposed to 8 happy against 2 sad, i'll go with the 8-2.
and finally, the anti-semite and the jew? sounds interesting and i'll prob look into it now you mention it.
Unrelated to the book, I'm just saying that this system is what some people want. Improvement by one standard is regression by another. Your case seems to be that people should constantly be working towards their own ideal. I generally seem follow a non-Aristotelian logic system, and think that this is very dogmatic, and so choose not to agree. Beyond that, trying to change things in one place to conform to a model already present in another seems redundant to me.
(in my analogy, the balls were supposed to represent yourself, not your country. i suppose you could look at it the other way, which brings a fantastic isomorphism, that being between your position and alex's)
my brain was washed by a dicordian, a taoist and a physicist (bob wilson, alan watts, niels bohr). all of their major conclusions were that there "is" no objective reality (maybe i should also include korzybski). i believe that is why i tend to not comment on arguments. both sides ususally seem dogmatic and unreceptive to alternate explanations.
I truly do sympathize with your beliefs, and Alex's. I think that it should be a top priority of everybody to work towards peace and good spirits within these places we live. Never wars, only diplomacy.
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i see where you're comming from, and you seem to know damn well what you're talkin bout, so i respect what you're saying. but i can't say i agree(surprise surprise, no change of opinion :-P), prob due to a different up bringing and beliefs. a lot of times arguments may seem dogmatic, but everything when boiled down to it's core is dogmatic, you're own personal comment was dogmatic, the difference is it's kind of the lack there of it(like how an athiest's belief is their lack of it, if that makes sence). for me, what it boils down to is who has their facts straight and can show that their opinions can work because they have factual backing.
As far as progression = regretion, i think people should still follow their beliefs of what they think would be the best way to help out SOCIETY and give as much freedom as they can, since that's what america is about. there's always 2 choices at least, and all of them are NEVER perfect, but one is always the closest to it. it's like, which option should we chose if we wanna get to 10:
1: two steps forward 4 back
2: 5 steps forward 3 steps back
3:8 steps forward 1 step back
obviously number three, and it's usually clear which one would be the closest step to moving towards freedom without taking more away.
don't sympathise for me. i don't need sympathy for my veiws, im in COMPLETE content with them. my top priority is peace and happyness, but i'm not gonna be unrealistic and say that it's what WILL happen. i'm pretty fatalistic and know the world will always suck to a degree, but for me it's about getting as close as we can, and if there's an option of 6 happy people with 4 sad as opposed to 8 happy against 2 sad, i'll go with the 8-2.
and finally, the anti-semite and the jew? sounds interesting and i'll prob look into it now you mention it.
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