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Feb 18, 2004 20:58

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waterytart February 18 2004, 18:50:23 UTC
don't say we. you don't deserve to lump yourself into that group. sometimes, you have to look at humanity in terms of two categories: the harmful, and the harmless. there are the select few that ruin things for everyone else, and as much as it may sound like a cop out, you've done nothing wrong. you can't identify all of humanity just with those few. because when you do something wrong, you apologize for it and repent. how can you repent for something you haven't done? you can't.

and yeah, i know ayn rand would say differently. she can suck it.

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beautifulfreak1 February 18 2004, 19:07:30 UTC
i have contributed, though... i have driven a car more often than i should have... i have let the water run in the shower... i have thrown away recicleables... and even though these things seem small and unavoidable, they are not insignificant.

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entropy crushdtinbox February 18 2004, 19:26:56 UTC
i think that all humans do contribute to this destruction, i don't think it's a select few. i think that such is the nature of being human, or even being alive. and i hate dichotomies. but in response to tinks, i think that because it's human, it is natural, and it is inevitable. it's kind of related to my perspective on human life: you are. you can never say "the world would have been better if i was never born." because there is no world without you. just the fact that you are changes the world. but if you WERE never born, then that would have been the way the world was. but you can't even begin to think about the way the world "would have been" because it's impossible to know. everything that happens in the world happens. sure, we've raped the land, but that's what we did. we are nature. that is what nature did. the natural course of events. and whatever happens, i think no one has a right to tell other countries not to acquire the technology and modernisation that is available. Change is. for better or worse. and ( ... )

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Re: entropy waterytart February 19 2004, 09:12:15 UTC
mai, i agree with you even though you think i may not. above, i reacted to a specific term, "horror," and said that i don't believe we all contribute to that. but the term "destruction" is completely different. we destroy in order to survive, whether that be on the level of competing with others to obtain a higher position in the workplace or on par with picking an apple from a tree and eating it. it's normal, it's natural, and it's life. you can't feel guilty for that.

so yeah, i agree. sorry i had to ramble like that just to reinforce my agreement.

p.s. this same group always seems to get into discussions like this. jessi, rel, jim, ZITO, speak up! your vote counts too, ya know.

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Re: entropy waterytart February 19 2004, 09:14:13 UTC
...of course, i also don't blame you for not wanting to step in the ring and get ripped to shreds. heh.

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Re: holy_fluff February 18 2004, 19:38:36 UTC
But who are you to judge who "ruined" things for all of humanity? No one can remove themselves of the guilt...all are guilty, but maybe not in the way Lauren is describing.

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- mai waterytart February 18 2004, 21:31:50 UTC
i don't think anybody "ruined" anything for all of humanity. I think humanity, and life is naturally "destructive".

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Re: - mai holy_fluff February 18 2004, 23:04:58 UTC
my comment wasn't supposed to go under yours mai, it was supposed to go under christine's...sorry about that!

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