ATTF: comics vs. movies

[geckoholic]

Hello! I'm your guest host for tonight's ATTF, and I'll dig right in: comics vs. movies. Did you read the comics (by which I mainly refer to the 616 universe)? Do you have certain expectations, certain things you want the movies to revisit? Do you mix and match the comic canon and movie canon, or do you keep them separate

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[scribble_myname]

I love using movieverse with a hefty dose of comics backstory. That's just kind of how I work with all Marvel 'verse stuff because I came in from TV shows and movies and always wanted more, so mined comics. I love Natasha's comics backstory and her history with the Winter Soldier, so usually take that and I love Clint's carnie/family background, though I headcanon military background as well.

As for comics, I'm Black Widow/Winter Soldier all the way, Hawkeye/Mockingbird, but in MCU, I cannot get enough Hawkeye/Black Widow.

[geckoholic]

Ahaha, yeah, that's how I got into the comics too. Same on the military background for Clint in the MCU. And I'm *dying* to get the carnie and family stuff from the comics on screen, though I'm not holding my breath for the latter. How much I use it/like it used in fic right now though kinda varies, idek. IT'S COMPLICATED, lol.

Heeh, in the comics I'm all for Clint/Kate. The special hell ship, that's where I ended up... XD

[alphaflyer]

YES on the military background head canon! And based on what I heard from SDCC, Clint mentions the circus in Age of Ultron, so there'll be some convergence (at least notional ...).

[geckoholic]

Heeh, yep, I heard. CANNOT WAIT.

[hufflepuffsneak]

For shipping purposes, Clint/ Natasha in the movies, but I have to say that comics are winning me over for fan purposes, mainly because I can read stories all about Natasha where she isn't filtered through a different characters' lens.

[geckoholic]

True, it gives us her POV which is something we're probably not likely to get in the MCU anytime soon. :/

[hufflepuffsneak]

And the same for Hawkeye. Plus, I would KILL for MCU!Kate.

[geckoholic]

Yep, true. The Fraction run is SO consistently wonderful with character insight. *_*

I'm still not sure whether or not MCU!Kate is something I'd want or if I want to box her up and keep her far, far away from anyone who's not Fraction, Gillen or Heinberg. I'm very particular about Kate. XD

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[alphaflyer]

Great topic!!

I came to Marvel solely from the MCU, and even that slightly backwards -- started with "Avengers" and then watched the solo films after getting ... umm ... hooked. So my go-to, default mode will probably always be the MCU version of the characters, and those are certainly the voices I have for Clint and Natasha (at least I'd like to think so

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[happilydancing]

I keep saying this but I always had a favorable impression of Barney from the very first time I wikipedia'd Clint. I was expecting a lot about Clint as a kid, but instead it was "Barney decided to run away and join the circus and took Clint with him, Barney wanted Clint to join the army with him, etc. etc." So right there that put a very intersting person in my head...Barney is the one that moved things forward in their lives, and Clint followed. Not that Barney didn't have problems of course, but it was just such an interesting dynamic that I was always so sad there wasn't more about Barney online. I have read a number of Barney fics on ao3, but have to avoid them if they are Clint/Coulson which most of them are :P

I saw the panel of where Clint kills Natasha from the Ultimates recently (read about it long ago but just saw the art recently) and omg, it was too much. Just so wrong!!!

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[geckoholic]

Haha, I actually came into it through the first Iron Man movie, which I watched with my ex-boyfriend when it came out. Years later, I think roundabout when Cap 1 came out, a friend sat me down and made me watch ALL THE MOVIES that were out until then so she could drag me into the theater for Avengers. Lol, the rest is history... XD

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[alphaflyer]

Actually, now that you reminded me, I DID see Ironman first, which is why I was then prepared to see Avengers. I saw it on a plane coming back from Afghanistan and, whoa -- could I EVER relate to the opening scenes...

And yes on Clint's looks from Ultimates. I think that purple abomination that so many fanboys still mourn is beyond ridiculous. \0/

[happilydancing]

I haven't read any comics (other than Archie when I was a kid) but I have watched some of the cartoons and read wikipedia and have seen panels online. I ship Clint/Natasha in all of them. Ok, golden age, I don't care too much about simply b/c it just seems SO far off of who I think they are?? Although they are hilarious and I love the romantic love aspect of them.

But yeah, LOOOOOVVVVEEE MCU Clint/Nat of course. I also ship them in the cartoons, especially Avengers Assemble. I don't mind Bobbi as an ex.

[alphaflyer]

Bobbi as an ex has total appeal for me (as does the idea of Clint essentially sleeping his way through SHIELD before falling for Natasha). I have high hopes for her turning up in Agents of SHIELD, so I can find a proper voice for her and sticking her into a story.

[happilydancing]

This is pretty much my exact headcanon for Clint as well.

I sometimes think Fury could have warned Clint not to touch her (especially if she was young when she started and since he has paternal insticts towards her) and subsequently Clint recieved the same glare he got when he brought her back to SHIELD instead of killing her lol.

[happilydancing]

Um...Fury having paternal insticts toward her. Not Clint. lol

[allisnow]

I've never actually touched a comic book, so my Clint and Natasha are like 99% MCU. But when you read a lot of fic, you can't help picking up on certain things and blending them into your headcanon, especially since at this point the MCU versions have a lot of blank spots. And because the comics backstories are so varied, it allows for a lot of variety even in MCU-based fic. Which I think is cool.

[geckoholic]

I'd have said the same last year, and then whoop, I fell down the rabit hole that is Marvel comics. Still not sure if the two friends who talked me into it deserve a fruit basket or a stern glare for that. XD And yeah, due to the ability to play mix and match with the backstory you do or don't want in MCU fic at this point, there's a lot of different stuff, dealt with in different ways. I'm almost a little sadfaced about that playground getting trimmed down after Avengers 2 is out, lol.