From the recent Laurel Acceptances
*Brunissende Dragonette de Brocéliande. * Alternate name Margarita Martini and badge. (Fieldless) On a goblet argent a pomme.
Commenters were split on whether or not this name and badge
combination rose to the level of being returnable for being
obtrusively modern. The name, itself, is no more obtrusively modern
than other joke names, such as /Drew Steele/, /Miles Long/, and
/John of Somme Whyre/. The fact that both parts of this name are the
names of modern drinks does not detract from the fact that this is a
well-formed 14th century Italian name. We feel that most Society
members are not experts on the date that particular mixed drinks
were invented, so this would simply be considered a reference to
alcohol rather than a reference to the 19th century.
While the armory could be considered reminiscent of an olive in a
martini glass, it is a standard SCA style of heraldry. We find
ourselves agreeing with Longeley Herald, who says "I think we're too
quick to assume that SCA participants, in general, find such
allusions anything but amusing (if they catch the joke at all)."
Were the charges in this submission actually an olive and a conical
martini glass, rather than a goblet and a roundel, it would
certainly be returned for obtrusive modernity. However, since the
badge is composed of standard charges in a standard heraldic
arrangement, it is registerable.
I'm quite eager to be educated on the differences between this case and that of Elisabeth Borden of Kent, particularly what makes EBoK's arms unacceptable for their blatant "jokiness" and "obtrusive modernity" while these are just peachy-keen.
(For those unaware of the issue, EBoK has been getting grief for her name and arms "Azure two candles in saltire argent enflamed at each end proper between 4 tau crosses argent"." Apparently the arms are too blatant a pun, too "obtrusively modern", and a pretension on a well-known post-period figure. Do you get it, without being told?)
Commenters were split on whether or not this name and badge
combination rose to the level of being returnable for being
obtrusively modern. The name, itself, is no more obtrusively modern
than other joke names, such as /Drew Steele/, /Miles Long/, and
/John of Somme Whyre/. The fact that both parts of this name are the
names of modern drinks does not detract from the fact that this is a
well-formed 14th century Italian name. We feel that most Society
members are not experts on the date that particular mixed drinks
were invented, so this would simply be considered a reference to
alcohol rather than a reference to the 19th century.
While the armory could be considered reminiscent of an olive in a
martini glass, it is a standard SCA style of heraldry. We find
ourselves agreeing with Longeley Herald, who says "I think we're too
quick to assume that SCA participants, in general, find such
allusions anything but amusing (if they catch the joke at all)."
Were the charges in this submission actually an olive and a conical
martini glass, rather than a goblet and a roundel, it would
certainly be returned for obtrusive modernity. However, since the
badge is composed of standard charges in a standard heraldic
arrangement, it is registerable.
I'm quite eager to be educated on the differences between this case and that of Elisabeth Borden of Kent, particularly what makes EBoK's arms unacceptable for their blatant "jokiness" and "obtrusive modernity" while these are just peachy-keen.
(For those unaware of the issue, EBoK has been getting grief for her name and arms "Azure two candles in saltire argent enflamed at each end proper between 4 tau crosses argent"." Apparently the arms are too blatant a pun, too "obtrusively modern", and a pretension on a well-known post-period figure. Do you get it, without being told?)