There's not masses in it, but I think the most telling quote is “Somehow I never understood how much people cared about the show until how much people freaked the fuck out about the finale,” Thomas said. - this translates in undouchy language as "we were complete ignorant asses who didn't give a fuck about our show or our fans."
I wish there was more about what they said here, because it sounds like they were very much confronted about the failnale. But they seem very callous about it and it makes me want to punch them in the face.
ETA: there's actually more detail in the youtube comment I found the link on from someone who apparently attended this talk on B/R:
Apprently one of C&C's friends in their university was like Barney and he changed so much for a girl, they got married and C&C thought they had great chemistry....and a few years later they divorce abruptly and the guy relapsed, so this was written onto the show because frankly in the mind of the writers they divorced abruptly with no reason.
Interesting about their friend, and I'm sorry things didn't work out for that couple, but even if they inspired Barney and Robin, they weren't Barney and Robin. If there were going to be a divorce and relapse for the couple in a work of fiction, we can't go on "they probably had other problems." We need to know. As Mark Twain said, the difference between real life and fiction is that fiction has to make sense.
It does shine some light, though, on how CB/CT made their choice, and if Ted and Marshall are self inserts, it makes sense that they would want to incorporate their other friend's experience, but in this fictive world, what happened to B/R in the finale doesn't make sense.
But were they ignorant and uncaring about what the audience who gave them a hit show would take away? Yep.
I actually think using their friend's divorce for unknown reasons is even more disgraceful, because whatever the reasons it's got to more than "the wifi doesn't work".
Also, there's a difference between being friends with someone and two people being main characters on your tv show. CBCT might not have even been that close to this friend (especially if CB treated him like Ted treated Barney) so you just cannot spring this "out of the blue breakup" with characters we've known for years, who we've seen not being able to survive without the other, who we know the ins and outs of their personal life. It just doesn't work. You need build up. I bet this couple's breakup had build up CBCT just weren't privy to it (and they can't use the "well they didn't tell Ted either" excuse - because there's no way Robin told Ted about the dissapearing kids). If you want to break up a couple with good chemistry because it's "reaslitic" (in a world with thought speach, cockamice and dopplegangers) lead up to it.
Also, was this relationship based on an 8 year friendship? Were these two people too broken to find love until they fell in love with each other? Did they find themselves unable to share a cab together while dating other people without going at it? Did he give her a superdate with Don? Did she beat up a random girl to make sure he and Nora were happy? Did he burst into a restaurant to break up her and her boyfriend declairing "I couldn't stop loving her any more than I could stop breathing." If the answer to any of these questions was a "No," then I just want to put it out there - but this couple aren't Barney and Robin. You can't just go sticking on the end of someone else's story because they were vaguely based on them (and if they really feel so forced to stick to realism - well I think we should start warning CB's wife).
(Also, we know that CFB's idea of good chemistry is T/R so really did this couple have any chemistry at all or were they really more like T/R?)
At the end of the day this is no less of an excuse than any of the other crap they've given us. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not something they just made up because they knew they'd be questioned on it - why else would it have not been mentioned in CFB's tweets?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's not something they just made up because they knew they'd be questioned on it - why else would it have not been mentioned in CFB's tweets?
Exactly. He was grasping at any straws he could in those tweets trying to claim the AUE was "true to life". Why on earth would he then not cite a real life example that he had personal experience with? That would be the FIRST thing you'd mention, especially if you based the AUE on it.
Bottom line, I think they're lying about it. Why shouldn't I think that? They're both proven liars.
Really, why else would it take them 7 months to give this explanation if in fact it was actually true? They could have desperately used something beyond "I don't really know", an answer that made them look like fools. And even "I don't really know" is a lie then because if it was based on this supposed "friend" of theirs then they do know why; they were basing it around that guy's life.
That's the problem with lies. If you're going to lie, you've got to at least pick one answer and stick to it.
Oh for crying out loud, yes, I am very sure their friends had more reasons for ending a marriage than lack of wifi or whatever they told CB/CT, but do not pull "they didn't tell Ted either." Don't. If they absolutely need to break up a couple we saw build, then we need to see the falling apart...if said falling apart would make sense, which in this case, it wouldn't.
Yes, yes, and yes about the romance being built on a foundation of friendship. All the things these two did for each other, selflessly, even at their own expense, to improve the life of the other...that doesn't go away. Happy, successful, lasting marriages are realistic, too. Why couldn't we have seen that? All these mentions of specific things like the super date and beating up the random girl are making me want to ugly cry, and then watch B/R episodes and read stories because dammit, they are the heart of the show, and they do transcend it.
T/R have good chemistry? Please. Milk and lemons have better chemistry. Acid and metal. Toothpaste and orange juice. I could go on, but it's making me slightly ill.
Could they make it up? Yeah, probably. Do I care? Nope. There really isn't anything I care to hear from them at this point. I know what I saw and I know what I love and the only drama I want is within the context of a story that makes sense.
You always know how to make me smile and laugh Unzadi because you're so right anything is better together than T/R ever were. Barf bags included, those two do not work no matter how forced you want them to be together they don't work. There isn't much chemistry, I've never seen any chemistry between T/R, I've seen more with T/V and T/T but not T/R.
When two people marry for love and still love each other in those three years of marriage something like WiFi would never break up a marriage like that, that isn't true to life. What true to life is, is growing, changing, knowing who you are and what you want and for Barney it's Robin and for Robin it's Barney. For them it was always each other, they sacrificed for each other, they ran away from it, they ran to it, heck they even leaped to it because these two would never in a million suns will stop feeling the way they do about each other. No way in hell would they throw away their entire relationship, their friendship that was the key to their romantic relationship to live separate lives which fyi made them miserable. These two simply can not live without each other because they circle each other, they go back from each other but they always end up back in bed together or acting in love or just being themselves.
When they're together they automatically go into their Barnman & Robin mode and back into each other's webs which then only suggests one thing... That they get back together in someway, being apart makes the heat grow fonder and a divorce for two people who clearly still loved each other was just so stupid. They were happiest when being together, they were miserable when they were apart, they pined over each other for years only to get back together for good and then married. That's the real ending of a true love story that was written as one and that people loved and adored seeing play out.
Aww, thank you. I am honored to bring some joy in the midst of this mess. I definitely agree that T/V and T/T both have more chemistry than T/R ever potentially could. The romance wasn't there, and that's a fact. Do not tell us it was all offstage or there and nobody talked about it. Bullpuckey. If it's on tv, you have to show us, or it didn't happen. We were shown B/R for the better part of nine years. We were shown how T/R did not work for the better part of nine years. Do not try and tell us it was T/R all along, because that is not what we saw. It was the showrunners' jobs to take us on the ride to the ultimate destination. When roughly 90% of the fandom and critics all get off that ride one episode piror to the finale, en masse, what does that say? That the penultimate episode (using the big word for Ted, because he'd like that) was the true finale. The AUE was an epilogue nobody needed or wanted. The alternate ending, that I can take. Not perfect, but if it's a forced choice, I choose the alternate.
B/R are part of each other, and no matter how much they try to stay apart, it is Barman and Robin the second they catch sight of each other. The only other option is zero contact and absolute misery. They are most themselves as individuals when they are a couple.
Also this idea that "Barney and Robin had good chemistry" is so demeaning. It's like saying "yeah, they looked hot kissing and the sex was probably good". Yes, those things were very much true but Barney and Robin are so much more than that. They are firm friends (in fact they are friends first, lovers second, always), they loved each other, supported each other, accepted each other for who they were when no one else would (especially Ted). They trusted each other, perhaps only each other. They are truely soulmates in every sense of the word, soulmates are not just people with good chemistry - soulmates are people who aren't whole without the other - and Barney and Robin were always broken until they found their other half.
soulmates are people who aren't whole without the other - and Barney and Robin were always broken until they found their other half.
Oh, so very, very much this. :applauds: Their friendship laid a solid foundation for the love that came after, and that's not easily broken, certainly not by a lack of wifi. I do love the idea that they trusted only each other, and a trust that hard earned, the other is not going to betray. How could one walk away from the other, knowing what it would do to them? I can't see that, not without willfully being horriffically cruel, and neither of them would do that.
Barney and Robin's broken pieces fit together, becoming stronger at the broken points, melding into one. They move toward each other, not away from, and I don't see that changing.
There are people who bitch about B/R being a lame paring because "the just made them boyfriend and girlfriend because they were already friends", but I don't agree at all. For these two to last they had to be friends before they were lovers. The reason the two of them are prepared to let each other into their lives is because they already know each other's secrets, they've seen each other at their darkest and they still love the other. It's only on this stable basis of trust and friendship that these two broken people could ever have a longterm relationship - because there's no worrying about the past or that the other might discover something that makes them break up - they already know everything about each other and they accept and understand this.
Let them bitch. Both Barney and Robin had had relationships or encounters that were only sexual or only casual (or both) and that is what Barney first offered, but that's not what they actually had with each other. They had a friendship first, and then the romantic feelings grew from that. Would Barney and Robin have had the romance without the friendship? I'm thinking it's possible they would not have, or if they had, it would be an extremely different sort of relationship.
They have seen each other at their worst and decided they want even that, because the worst is a part of the whole, and if they have to take the worst to get the best, then that's fine by them. There is no worrying about "if they find out about X, it's all over," because there is no X in this case. That's why the divorce doesn't make sense. These two completely know and accept each other; whatever it was, they'd get over or around it.
Their friendship was key to their romantic feelings for each other it was apparently clear that they can not function without the other one by their side. They complete one another, like they simply aren't happy being alone and single.
You know, let them say whatever they want it doesn't take away from alienating their entire fan base minus the T/R shippers. Everyone's still livid about this, it's going to be along while for people to get over this travesty.
Barney and Robin whatever you say were the hearts of the series, the glue that held the show from getting cancel and the most popular guy, girl and couple of the show. B/R are and were everything that embodies this show because people naturally gravitated towards them and adored Barney because he was the stand out character that brought in the viewership.
All told, from a certain perspective, this works out rather well. CB/CT and the T/R shippers have each other and don't need the rest of the world, so they're good. We B/R fans have our OTP, Neil's classy bit in his book, the backings of critics and this community.
I think it's safe to say we're winning the breakup.
I think it's safe to say we're winning the breakup.
Was there ever any doubt? It's natural, I mean fans genuinely loved C&C and their show, but we had to find out in the most depressing and hurtful way possible (caught in the act) that they had an affair all along.
And the cheating party always loses the breakup, while the betrayed one gets to keep the mutual friends (in our case critiques and the cast siding with us) to comfort the betrayed in his misery by pointing out what massive a-hole the cheater was all along, while the cheater is being side-eyed by everyone but the "cheatee" (in our case the T/R shippers). ;)
No, there really wasn't any doubt. I completly agree that the cheating party always loses the breakup and betrayed one gets to keep all mutual friends. This should all be in the Fan Code.
People actually say that? That's stupid. It makes perfect sense for them to be friends first and that to grow into a romantic relationship.
First of all, that's just "true to life" - only this time that's factually accurate and not just blowing smoke.
Secondly, for anyone who has trust issues the only way they're going to have a successful romantic relationship where they actually let the other person in is if they are friends first (and I can verify that through personal experience). In the safety of the friendship that's where they truly get to know each other, trust each other, and can actually let down their walls. Otherwise they'll sleep with people, they might even seriously date people, but they're not going to truly let themselves be vulnerable with that person and let that person really know them because it's too much of a risk and they live by the number one rule of self-preservation.
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There's not masses in it, but I think the most telling quote is “Somehow I never understood how much people cared about the show until how much people freaked the fuck out about the finale,” Thomas said. - this translates in undouchy language as "we were complete ignorant asses who didn't give a fuck about our show or our fans."
I wish there was more about what they said here, because it sounds like they were very much confronted about the failnale. But they seem very callous about it and it makes me want to punch them in the face.
ETA: there's actually more detail in the youtube comment I found the link on from someone who apparently attended this talk on B/R:
Apprently one of C&C's friends in their university was like Barney and he changed so much for a girl, they got married and C&C thought they had great chemistry....and a few years later they divorce abruptly and the guy relapsed, so this was written onto the show because frankly in the mind of the writers they divorced abruptly with no reason.
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It does shine some light, though, on how CB/CT made their choice, and if Ted and Marshall are self inserts, it makes sense that they would want to incorporate their other friend's experience, but in this fictive world, what happened to B/R in the finale doesn't make sense.
But were they ignorant and uncaring about what the audience who gave them a hit show would take away? Yep.
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Also, there's a difference between being friends with someone and two people being main characters on your tv show. CBCT might not have even been that close to this friend (especially if CB treated him like Ted treated Barney) so you just cannot spring this "out of the blue breakup" with characters we've known for years, who we've seen not being able to survive without the other, who we know the ins and outs of their personal life. It just doesn't work. You need build up. I bet this couple's breakup had build up CBCT just weren't privy to it (and they can't use the "well they didn't tell Ted either" excuse - because there's no way Robin told Ted about the dissapearing kids). If you want to break up a couple with good chemistry because it's "reaslitic" (in a world with thought speach, cockamice and dopplegangers) lead up to it.
Also, was this relationship based on an 8 year friendship? Were these two people too broken to find love until they fell in love with each other? Did they find themselves unable to share a cab together while dating other people without going at it? Did he give her a superdate with Don? Did she beat up a random girl to make sure he and Nora were happy? Did he burst into a restaurant to break up her and her boyfriend declairing "I couldn't stop loving her any more than I could stop breathing." If the answer to any of these questions was a "No," then I just want to put it out there - but this couple aren't Barney and Robin. You can't just go sticking on the end of someone else's story because they were vaguely based on them (and if they really feel so forced to stick to realism - well I think we should start warning CB's wife).
(Also, we know that CFB's idea of good chemistry is T/R so really did this couple have any chemistry at all or were they really more like T/R?)
At the end of the day this is no less of an excuse than any of the other crap they've given us. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not something they just made up because they knew they'd be questioned on it - why else would it have not been mentioned in CFB's tweets?
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Exactly. He was grasping at any straws he could in those tweets trying to claim the AUE was "true to life". Why on earth would he then not cite a real life example that he had personal experience with? That would be the FIRST thing you'd mention, especially if you based the AUE on it.
Bottom line, I think they're lying about it. Why shouldn't I think that? They're both proven liars.
Really, why else would it take them 7 months to give this explanation if in fact it was actually true? They could have desperately used something beyond "I don't really know", an answer that made them look like fools. And even "I don't really know" is a lie then because if it was based on this supposed "friend" of theirs then they do know why; they were basing it around that guy's life.
That's the problem with lies. If you're going to lie, you've got to at least pick one answer and stick to it.
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Yes, yes, and yes about the romance being built on a foundation of friendship. All the things these two did for each other, selflessly, even at their own expense, to improve the life of the other...that doesn't go away. Happy, successful, lasting marriages are realistic, too. Why couldn't we have seen that? All these mentions of specific things like the super date and beating up the random girl are making me want to ugly cry, and then watch B/R episodes and read stories because dammit, they are the heart of the show, and they do transcend it.
T/R have good chemistry? Please. Milk and lemons have better chemistry. Acid and metal. Toothpaste and orange juice. I could go on, but it's making me slightly ill.
Could they make it up? Yeah, probably. Do I care? Nope. There really isn't anything I care to hear from them at this point. I know what I saw and I know what I love and the only drama I want is within the context of a story that makes sense.
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When two people marry for love and still love each other in those three years of marriage something like WiFi would never break up a marriage like that, that isn't true to life. What true to life is, is growing, changing, knowing who you are and what you want and for Barney it's Robin and for Robin it's Barney. For them it was always each other, they sacrificed for each other, they ran away from it, they ran to it, heck they even leaped to it because these two would never in a million suns will stop feeling the way they do about each other. No way in hell would they throw away their entire relationship, their friendship that was the key to their romantic relationship to live separate lives which fyi made them miserable. These two simply can not live without each other because they circle each other, they go back from each other but they always end up back in bed together or acting in love or just being themselves.
When they're together they automatically go into their Barnman & Robin mode and back into each other's webs which then only suggests one thing... That they get back together in someway, being apart makes the heat grow fonder and a divorce for two people who clearly still loved each other was just so stupid. They were happiest when being together, they were miserable when they were apart, they pined over each other for years only to get back together for good and then married. That's the real ending of a true love story that was written as one and that people loved and adored seeing play out.
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B/R are part of each other, and no matter how much they try to stay apart, it is Barman and Robin the second they catch sight of each other. The only other option is zero contact and absolute misery. They are most themselves as individuals when they are a couple.
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Oh, so very, very much this. :applauds: Their friendship laid a solid foundation for the love that came after, and that's not easily broken, certainly not by a lack of wifi. I do love the idea that they trusted only each other, and a trust that hard earned, the other is not going to betray. How could one walk away from the other, knowing what it would do to them? I can't see that, not without willfully being horriffically cruel, and neither of them would do that.
Barney and Robin's broken pieces fit together, becoming stronger at the broken points, melding into one. They move toward each other, not away from, and I don't see that changing.
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They have seen each other at their worst and decided they want even that, because the worst is a part of the whole, and if they have to take the worst to get the best, then that's fine by them. There is no worrying about "if they find out about X, it's all over," because there is no X in this case. That's why the divorce doesn't make sense. These two completely know and accept each other; whatever it was, they'd get over or around it.
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You know, let them say whatever they want it doesn't take away from alienating their entire fan base minus the T/R shippers. Everyone's still livid about this, it's going to be along while for people to get over this travesty.
Barney and Robin whatever you say were the hearts of the series, the glue that held the show from getting cancel and the most popular guy, girl and couple of the show. B/R are and were everything that embodies this show because people naturally gravitated towards them and adored Barney because he was the stand out character that brought in the viewership.
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I think it's safe to say we're winning the breakup.
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Was there ever any doubt? It's natural, I mean fans genuinely loved C&C and their show, but we had to find out in the most depressing and hurtful way possible (caught in the act) that they had an affair all along.
And the cheating party always loses the breakup, while the betrayed one gets to keep the mutual friends (in our case critiques and the cast siding with us) to comfort the betrayed in his misery by pointing out what massive a-hole the cheater was all along, while the cheater is being side-eyed by everyone but the "cheatee" (in our case the T/R shippers). ;)
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First of all, that's just "true to life" - only this time that's factually accurate and not just blowing smoke.
Secondly, for anyone who has trust issues the only way they're going to have a successful romantic relationship where they actually let the other person in is if they are friends first (and I can verify that through personal experience). In the safety of the friendship that's where they truly get to know each other, trust each other, and can actually let down their walls. Otherwise they'll sleep with people, they might even seriously date people, but they're not going to truly let themselves be vulnerable with that person and let that person really know them because it's too much of a risk and they live by the number one rule of self-preservation.
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