*gives you many hugs* I don't have eating issues, but goddamn it I went through hell with my endocrinologist about not wanting the stomach stapling. Gee, it only took a YEAR to get my vitamin D and calcium levels ok, why do you think I want an elective surgery that is KNOWN to cause vitamin deficiency? After I told him "I have a brain and I am NOT afraid to use it" he knows better than to force it. And sweetie, if you need a mama-ear, ever, you're only a year older than my elder beastling, and I'd be glad to listen. *hugs you again*
I know I'm morbidly obese, this is not shocking news, I don't understand why doctors don't realize this. I did not wake up one day fat (though I wouldn't mind waking up one day skinny).
I do one day want gastric bypass, and know that with my vitamin/mineral dificencies I will have to work harder then most to keep a balance...but right now, I'm happy with my weight so long as it stays within the limits of where I'm at and doesn't balloon up like it had been (that was freaky, I was barely eating and gaining weight by the ton, an odd combination of water weight/lack of motabilizim and some other factor mum and I hadn't figured out yet).
I just wanted an answer to my stomach troubles after eating, not a lecture on science (hi, studied nutrition and weight for going on eleven years now, I may not have a degree but I know the science behind it).
Urg, maybe I'll wait for the 'magic pill' (kidding!)
Please reconsider getting a gastric bypass. There are a lot of reasons why NOT to get one, not the least of which is lack of doctor followup on patients.
It's your choice what to do with your body, and what you feel is best for it. I just have such trepidation about gastric bypass because of what I've read, from scientific studies to anecdotes from those who've undergone the surgery.
My doctor is really pushing me to get stomach stapling. I do not feel it is right for me and really, at this point, there is no avoiding the damage that a lifetime of diabetes and celiac disease has done to my body. I honestly may not even have another five years. I do not want to spend those five years regretting having this surgery done.
Infection, complications breathing, complications from anestisia, etc and so forth. Stomach stapling and Gastric Bypass are high risk surgery, especially as an elective surgery.
Not to mention they do have a high failure rate, staples pop, the stomach can streatch after a bypass, and the weight loss is limited.
Honestly, it's your choice, and for me, it might be the right one. But for you, it might not. If you only have 5-10 years left...maybe you should spend that time enjoying it, not recovering (and possibly) regretting major surgery. I know that for me, if I had an experation date for any reason...my weight would be the last thing on my mind, I would be out spending too much time living. *grins*
I know 2 women who had it. One became very emotionally needy , very different from how she was before. The other became addicted to pills and an alcoholic.
I don't know much of anything about the surgery but I do know two people who have had it.
One is very meticulous about following her doctros instructions and has recently published a cookbook specifically for people who have had gastric bypass surgery. She has lost a lot of weight and is healthier than she has ever been.
The other doesn't follow her doctors instructions at all and is constantly eating things she shouldn't making herself sick. She has lost weight but she looks like hell and has never been unhealthier.
My uneducated take on it is if you do not have the willpower to stay on the required diet and not eat the things you shouldn't then stay away from the surgery.
There are people who follow the instructions perfectly, meticulously, and still suffer from complications and other side-effects. And this is exactly what I mean by blaming the patients for the failure of the surgery.
Good for your friend if she's actually healthier 5, 10 years down the line. The complications most patients have following the surgery have very little, if at all, to do with "not having the willpower", and a lot to do with mutilating organs that are very sensitive to being screwed around with.
Er, I don't think he as blaming the patients nor was he that un-educated. He was bringing up a vaild point, beyond all the complications that go with the actual surgery, there are stands a serious problem of adherence and failure that goes along with it.
Even if all goes well, there is the chance the surgery will fail simply by patients being idiots (and yes, I AM blaming those that sabotoge themselves by continuing on in the same vein as before their surgery, they are I.D.I.O.T.S.).
You call it 'mutilating', but stomach surgery has been around since ancient times, not for weight loss (er, obviously), but many people have gone on to live normal lives with parts of their stomach removed due to tumors, tramatic injury, and sheer human idiocy (swallowing bleach or another caustic chemical for any reason). The fact that it's 'elective' does not make it any different, nor does it change the fact that it's a normal proceedure that, like any major (or minor even), comes with risks.
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It's easier to say that the patients who develop problems following the surgery did it to themselves, that they sabotaged themselves and "didn't follow doctor's orders," than to believe the alternative. The surgery is unnecessary and the risks do not outweigh the benefits, especially when there's no guarantee it will have the effect it's supposed to; many patients regain the weight after the initial loss, and not because they're "eating too much
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They are, slowly. Not only in the health arena, but in others (I'm working on the garage in between running in here to rest and read, which is an improvement as I couldn't move around before...plus it's nice to go through mum's things and remember her...while tossing her ugly crap in the trash/donate piles...trust me, it's a HUGE thing to be able to finally get rid of things we've had fights about).
I finally, and this is odd to say, feel as if I'm in a place emotionally/physically/spiritually where I have a future, I'm not bogged down by mum/life/health/whatever. If I wanted to, I could pack this all up tonight and be out of here (well, as soon as I get paid), and that's freeing to me, when previously I had chains to bind me to a life I, to be honest, mostly hated.
And it's incredible to know that I'm not alone, which was my biggest fear whenever I thought about mum dying. Yes, most of you guys are strangers, but you're strangers willing to talk to me, to simply express your
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That's very good to hear. It's still not easy to go through a loss like this, but being able to put things in perspective and see the path beyond the now is exceptional.
I don't think that robertr is trying to blame the patients for all the health issues experienced afterwards, but they *are* saying that an *additional* risk is whether the patient follows doctors orders afterwards. Since it's an additional risk, doing everything that the doctor says will in no way, shape or form guarantee a successful result, but they're suggesting that not doing what the doctor says is likely to introduce further problems, so if you don't have the willpower to follow doctors orders, it's probably best not to risk it.
Maybe I read more into it than was there, but time and time again the rhetoric used against fat people is that if we just had more *willpower* to stick to a diet, we'd lose the weight and keep it off. Which, I suppose it could be technically true, but it takes a lot of willpower to override the body going into starvation mode(and considering that some diets recommend 500 or fewer calories a day, when 1,000 calories is considered "safe" torture, and even 1,600 calories a day showed considerable effect even on fit invididuals, I'd say there's probably some form of starvation going on).
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I do one day want gastric bypass, and know that with my vitamin/mineral dificencies I will have to work harder then most to keep a balance...but right now, I'm happy with my weight so long as it stays within the limits of where I'm at and doesn't balloon up like it had been (that was freaky, I was barely eating and gaining weight by the ton, an odd combination of water weight/lack of motabilizim and some other factor mum and I hadn't figured out yet).
I just wanted an answer to my stomach troubles after eating, not a lecture on science (hi, studied nutrition and weight for going on eleven years now, I may not have a degree but I know the science behind it).
Urg, maybe I'll wait for the 'magic pill' (kidding!)
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It's your choice what to do with your body, and what you feel is best for it. I just have such trepidation about gastric bypass because of what I've read, from scientific studies to anecdotes from those who've undergone the surgery.
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(Note, though, I am not the OP.)
My doctor is really pushing me to get stomach stapling. I do not feel it is right for me and really, at this point, there is no avoiding the damage that a lifetime of diabetes and celiac disease has done to my body. I honestly may not even have another five years. I do not want to spend those five years regretting having this surgery done.
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Not to mention they do have a high failure rate, staples pop, the stomach can streatch after a bypass, and the weight loss is limited.
Honestly, it's your choice, and for me, it might be the right one. But for you, it might not. If you only have 5-10 years left...maybe you should spend that time enjoying it, not recovering (and possibly) regretting major surgery. I know that for me, if I had an experation date for any reason...my weight would be the last thing on my mind, I would be out spending too much time living. *grins*
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One is very meticulous about following her doctros instructions and has recently published a cookbook specifically for people who have had gastric bypass surgery. She has lost a lot of weight and is healthier than she has ever been.
The other doesn't follow her doctors instructions at all and is constantly eating things she shouldn't making herself sick. She has lost weight but she looks like hell and has never been unhealthier.
My uneducated take on it is if you do not have the willpower to stay on the required diet and not eat the things you shouldn't then stay away from the surgery.
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There are people who follow the instructions perfectly, meticulously, and still suffer from complications and other side-effects. And this is exactly what I mean by blaming the patients for the failure of the surgery.
Good for your friend if she's actually healthier 5, 10 years down the line. The complications most patients have following the surgery have very little, if at all, to do with "not having the willpower", and a lot to do with mutilating organs that are very sensitive to being screwed around with.
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Even if all goes well, there is the chance the surgery will fail simply by patients being idiots (and yes, I AM blaming those that sabotoge themselves by continuing on in the same vein as before their surgery, they are I.D.I.O.T.S.).
You call it 'mutilating', but stomach surgery has been around since ancient times, not for weight loss (er, obviously), but many people have gone on to live normal lives with parts of their stomach removed due to tumors, tramatic injury, and sheer human idiocy (swallowing bleach or another caustic chemical for any reason). The fact that it's 'elective' does not make it any different, nor does it change the fact that it's a normal proceedure that, like any major (or minor even), comes with risks.
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They are, slowly. Not only in the health arena, but in others (I'm working on the garage in between running in here to rest and read, which is an improvement as I couldn't move around before...plus it's nice to go through mum's things and remember her...while tossing her ugly crap in the trash/donate piles...trust me, it's a HUGE thing to be able to finally get rid of things we've had fights about).
I finally, and this is odd to say, feel as if I'm in a place emotionally/physically/spiritually where I have a future, I'm not bogged down by mum/life/health/whatever. If I wanted to, I could pack this all up tonight and be out of here (well, as soon as I get paid), and that's freeing to me, when previously I had chains to bind me to a life I, to be honest, mostly hated.
And it's incredible to know that I'm not alone, which was my biggest fear whenever I thought about mum dying. Yes, most of you guys are strangers, but you're strangers willing to talk to me, to simply express your ( ... )
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You're definitely not alone. :)
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