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Dawn of art : the Chauvet Cave : the oldest known paintings in the world / Jean-Marie Chauvet, Eliette Brunel Deschamps, and Christian Hillaire
Пещеру обнаружили в конце декабря 1994 года, книга издана в 1996 м, в нее вложены несколько старых газетных вырезок и статья из журнала с фотографиями... про пещеру и судебный процесс, где землевладельцы пытались отсудить пещеру себе, а министерство культуры пыталось забрать снимки у спелеологов, утверждая что один из них к тому времени состоял в их штате, а поэтому когда обнаружилась пещера - был при исполнении и не имел правa от своего имени публиковать фото...
The Cave Art Paintings of the Chauvet Cave
video с сайта
пересмотрела видео с edx.org, где профессор Ярсомбек рассказывает интересно про пещеры палеолита в великолепном курсе по мировой архитектуре:
цитата из лекции Magdalenians
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the Magdaleniens really are sort of special in a way. They discovered or enhanced this world of caves. Caves are a fantastic place. Caves are special places, and especially these early caves where they're dripping with water from melting rain, and strange formations, and glistening surfaces, and strange sounds. And the Magdaleniens became fetishized almost, this world of these caves. Thank god, it's unbelievable things. And so hundreds and hundreds of these caves then became the centers for their ritual practices. One of the most famous is Chauvet Cave.
Werner Herzog. Herzog's movie, you saw the Herzog movie of the Chauvet Cave? No. So let's put that on the required movie list. So it's this wonderful river that arcs around very mysteriously. And at the head of the river is this cave. You have to go through this arch now. 10,000 years ago, this arch would have been a lot smaller. And the water have sort of schooshed probably through it, So it would have been a really mysterious place. The cave itself is filled with drawings of truly remarkable skill that are astounding for us today.
I mean look at this tiger, wow man. I mean you and I couldn't do this. ..maybe there are some of you with true aesthetic skills. You've practiced drawing tigers all of your life and you can do this. I mean how do you do this, in a cave, in dark, maybe someone holding a torch? The tiger isn't there. You saw a tiger maybe three years ago or two days ago. Oh, what does a tiger look like? I mean if I had to do a tiger, it would be silly. It would look like a cartoon or something like that. This guy-- I mean this is not a naive drawing of a tiger. This is someone who's been drawing tigers for a long time, who understands sort of that penetrating gaze, the mouth with the fur. And you can sort of see the tiger sort of crouching together, as a herd, ready to pounce on something. And the ears cocked forward to hear the thing. And then you see these animals, just gorgeous. So I met archaeologist who said they must have had bark notepads, I imagine right, little three-ring binders. And they go out after the hunt. And some guys are sketching while everyone else is hunting. Ah, what the hell are they doing sketching? Well, he's practicing because he's got to go to this cave, and got to take some crayons, and he's got to draw this thing. And he's got to be perfect. I mean he's not erasing anything. I mean it's not like oops, oops, I got a smudge. And you can see how using the white. So he's scraping off the layer to make white. And then he's adding charcoal for the black and using red, which comes from his ochre. I mean God, I mean they're amazing. So mysterious-- how do you develop that skill? How do you hand it down? I mean if the guy isn't out there sketching, or the girl. I mean this not just-- I mean I say guy and you're oh-- if he/she isn't out there in the world with their little sketch bag, then I don't how you're going to do this. Now, what were these animals for? What were these drawings for? We have no idea. We know they're really beautiful. In other words, we look at all these drawings and there's no one like real bad one, there's like a really ugly one where the guy is trying something out. They're all perfect and amazing.
So where do you practice this? Maybe there's another cave somewhere where we'll find one and you'll see a lot of tigers and they're really bad. We haven't found that yet. So it's scary. You can see the horses, right? They're all in a row, charging across the landscape. And this one's breathing, haaa. You can feel the breath coming out of the horse's mouth. And they'll actually use the surface of the cave in a particular way. So the animals are sort of running in and out of the three-dimensional sides of the cave. But if you go to the book and you want to find something about this, what books are you going to need? Well, you go to the library and you're going to find books called primitive art. This isn't primitive. This is just absolutely no way primitive. What you and I might draw is going to be very primitive compared to this stuff.
So for decades and decades, we're calling this sort of the wrong thing. And it's sort of sad and unfortunate. This is sophisticated, sort of sophisticated art. not primitive. You get rid of that word. Just like you get rid of hunter/gatherer and all these sort of disparaging comments, words that filter through our syntax, which are completely sort of this guiding our understanding.
Well, the Great Bear Skull Chamber in there is this wonderful room with this stone, with the bear still on it. And in front of it, they found this thing, a cup, a spoon. It is not very big. It's about this, like something you would hold in your hand. And they thought at first this is where they put oil. And then the guy can see something.It had oil in it. Because obviously we're in the middle of a cave and it's dark.
Well, they did tests of the surface of what was in this cup and they discovered it wasn't oil. It was a plant. It was a plant called juniper, which grows everywhere practically around here. And so they were burning juniper in this little cup. Well, I mean I shouldn't be telling you this, but if you take juniper-- and so I have it in front of my house--and you take the things and you burn it, you'd get sort of high. So yeah, take your notes.
But it also makes a very beautiful flame, one of these flames that will go [BLOWING SOUND]. So what was happening here in these things? When we photograph these things today, we're very much interested in their digital beauty. That these are gorgeous things, we want to photograph them in strobe light. But in reality, we have to imagine a completely different situation where the cup was not meant to be light. It was meant to be incense, burning the juniper, helping you get into a type of trance perhaps in front of these drawings. And the idea of incense is hugely pervasive in many parts of the world. You find it in Hindu culture. You find it in Christian culture. You find in many parts of the world, where the incense is sometimes associated with certain types of ancestral relationships to powers that be. And incense is historically-- here we see the Egyptian king with an incense burner in front of the statue.
So we have to imagine in these caves-- and not sort of the question of just realism. That's the astonishing thing. These things are so beautiful when you see them. But they are not interested per se in that realism, as much as we might be, even hough they did a great job at it. But in the sort of coming to life of these animals. So here I'm burning this incense. Maybe there's some ritual singing going on, some dancing, some sacred events. This is not just for thousands of people. Maybe it's just an initiation for two or three people only. They're given the incense burner. It's making them a little foggy in the head and light-headed. And then they see these animals and the animals are coming alive in a particular way. So these are not cave people. That not living in the caves. The caves are the sacred places of discourse if you will with animals and ancestors. So we have to imagine a much more mysterious realm than the realm that you and I might want to have when we actually try to photograph these things with our strobe lights."
Dawn of art : the Chauvet Cave : the oldest known paintings in the world / Jean-Marie Chauvet, Eliette Brunel Deschamps, and Christian Hillaire
Пещеру обнаружили в конце декабря 1994 года, книга издана в 1996 м, в нее вложены несколько старых газетных вырезок и статья из журнала с фотографиями... про пещеру и судебный процесс, где землевладельцы пытались отсудить пещеру себе, а министерство культуры пыталось забрать снимки у спелеологов, утверждая что один из них к тому времени состоял в их штате, а поэтому когда обнаружилась пещера - был при исполнении и не имел правa от своего имени публиковать фото...
The Cave Art Paintings of the Chauvet Cave
video с сайта
пересмотрела видео с edx.org, где профессор Ярсомбек рассказывает интересно про пещеры палеолита в великолепном курсе по мировой архитектуре:
цитата из лекции Magdalenians
"
the Magdaleniens really are sort of special in a way. They discovered or enhanced this world of caves. Caves are a fantastic place. Caves are special places, and especially these early caves where they're dripping with water from melting rain, and strange formations, and glistening surfaces, and strange sounds. And the Magdaleniens became fetishized almost, this world of these caves. Thank god, it's unbelievable things. And so hundreds and hundreds of these caves then became the centers for their ritual practices. One of the most famous is Chauvet Cave.
Werner Herzog. Herzog's movie, you saw the Herzog movie of the Chauvet Cave? No. So let's put that on the required movie list. So it's this wonderful river that arcs around very mysteriously. And at the head of the river is this cave. You have to go through this arch now. 10,000 years ago, this arch would have been a lot smaller. And the water have sort of schooshed probably through it, So it would have been a really mysterious place. The cave itself is filled with drawings of truly remarkable skill that are astounding for us today.
I mean look at this tiger, wow man. I mean you and I couldn't do this. ..maybe there are some of you with true aesthetic skills. You've practiced drawing tigers all of your life and you can do this. I mean how do you do this, in a cave, in dark, maybe someone holding a torch? The tiger isn't there. You saw a tiger maybe three years ago or two days ago. Oh, what does a tiger look like? I mean if I had to do a tiger, it would be silly. It would look like a cartoon or something like that. This guy-- I mean this is not a naive drawing of a tiger. This is someone who's been drawing tigers for a long time, who understands sort of that penetrating gaze, the mouth with the fur. And you can sort of see the tiger sort of crouching together, as a herd, ready to pounce on something. And the ears cocked forward to hear the thing. And then you see these animals, just gorgeous. So I met archaeologist who said they must have had bark notepads, I imagine right, little three-ring binders. And they go out after the hunt. And some guys are sketching while everyone else is hunting. Ah, what the hell are they doing sketching? Well, he's practicing because he's got to go to this cave, and got to take some crayons, and he's got to draw this thing. And he's got to be perfect. I mean he's not erasing anything. I mean it's not like oops, oops, I got a smudge. And you can see how using the white. So he's scraping off the layer to make white. And then he's adding charcoal for the black and using red, which comes from his ochre. I mean God, I mean they're amazing. So mysterious-- how do you develop that skill? How do you hand it down? I mean if the guy isn't out there sketching, or the girl. I mean this not just-- I mean I say guy and you're oh-- if he/she isn't out there in the world with their little sketch bag, then I don't how you're going to do this. Now, what were these animals for? What were these drawings for? We have no idea. We know they're really beautiful. In other words, we look at all these drawings and there's no one like real bad one, there's like a really ugly one where the guy is trying something out. They're all perfect and amazing.
So where do you practice this? Maybe there's another cave somewhere where we'll find one and you'll see a lot of tigers and they're really bad. We haven't found that yet. So it's scary. You can see the horses, right? They're all in a row, charging across the landscape. And this one's breathing, haaa. You can feel the breath coming out of the horse's mouth. And they'll actually use the surface of the cave in a particular way. So the animals are sort of running in and out of the three-dimensional sides of the cave. But if you go to the book and you want to find something about this, what books are you going to need? Well, you go to the library and you're going to find books called primitive art. This isn't primitive. This is just absolutely no way primitive. What you and I might draw is going to be very primitive compared to this stuff.
So for decades and decades, we're calling this sort of the wrong thing. And it's sort of sad and unfortunate. This is sophisticated, sort of sophisticated art. not primitive. You get rid of that word. Just like you get rid of hunter/gatherer and all these sort of disparaging comments, words that filter through our syntax, which are completely sort of this guiding our understanding.
Well, the Great Bear Skull Chamber in there is this wonderful room with this stone, with the bear still on it. And in front of it, they found this thing, a cup, a spoon. It is not very big. It's about this, like something you would hold in your hand. And they thought at first this is where they put oil. And then the guy can see something.It had oil in it. Because obviously we're in the middle of a cave and it's dark.
Well, they did tests of the surface of what was in this cup and they discovered it wasn't oil. It was a plant. It was a plant called juniper, which grows everywhere practically around here. And so they were burning juniper in this little cup. Well, I mean I shouldn't be telling you this, but if you take juniper-- and so I have it in front of my house--and you take the things and you burn it, you'd get sort of high. So yeah, take your notes.
But it also makes a very beautiful flame, one of these flames that will go [BLOWING SOUND]. So what was happening here in these things? When we photograph these things today, we're very much interested in their digital beauty. That these are gorgeous things, we want to photograph them in strobe light. But in reality, we have to imagine a completely different situation where the cup was not meant to be light. It was meant to be incense, burning the juniper, helping you get into a type of trance perhaps in front of these drawings. And the idea of incense is hugely pervasive in many parts of the world. You find it in Hindu culture. You find it in Christian culture. You find in many parts of the world, where the incense is sometimes associated with certain types of ancestral relationships to powers that be. And incense is historically-- here we see the Egyptian king with an incense burner in front of the statue.
So we have to imagine in these caves-- and not sort of the question of just realism. That's the astonishing thing. These things are so beautiful when you see them. But they are not interested per se in that realism, as much as we might be, even hough they did a great job at it. But in the sort of coming to life of these animals. So here I'm burning this incense. Maybe there's some ritual singing going on, some dancing, some sacred events. This is not just for thousands of people. Maybe it's just an initiation for two or three people only. They're given the incense burner. It's making them a little foggy in the head and light-headed. And then they see these animals and the animals are coming alive in a particular way. So these are not cave people. That not living in the caves. The caves are the sacred places of discourse if you will with animals and ancestors. So we have to imagine a much more mysterious realm than the realm that you and I might want to have when we actually try to photograph these things with our strobe lights."