Unfortunately I can't really say more than that since there's not a word of your post that I take issue with... :-) Season 8 is defnitely taking shape around us now.
Well even the naysayers seem to agree it was a pivotal episode. What form of knowledge do you think Willow was stripping from the serpent lady in front of the trees?
Well-argued and very interesting, though knowing absolutely nothing about BSG apart from what you've written here (plus that apparently, it has something to do with toasters) I cannot really agree/disagree with any specific point. Though one question, and please correct me if I'm wrong: as I understand it from this post, Cylons are (from a human perspective) unquestionably evil, correct? They are The Other, The Enemy - the Demon, to speak Buffyesque? Roslin was never appointed/elected/chosen to protect them as well as the humans? It's us or them, they are trying to eradicate mankind, and anything is better than that?
But like you say, the situations are completely different. Buffy's problem here is that she's had everything turn on her; from protecting humanity against the supernatural, she now sees herself forced to protect the supernatural against humanity. Buffy doesn't know who her enemy really is, whom they represent and what they stand for - and against whom she is supposed/allowed to fight. For all we know, by "doing whatever
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The Cylon question is complicated. They were created by the humans became conscious and rebelled, fought a war agreed an armstice and disappeared for 40 years before suddenly unleashing a massive apparently unprovoked nuclear assault that killed most of the humans and sent the rest on the run. They were able to be so successful in their attack because they’d evolved to take human form 12 models with many copies of each. In its later stages the series although the Cylons are still the enemy they are less united, some seem to be developing an individuality and the origins of their initial strike have been questioned, whether it was blindly malevolent demon-style, pre-emptive or ordained by God. Roslin may be becoming more like the Cylons particularly on the genocide issue (and she orders that knowing how human they can be) but the Cylons are also becoming more like us. It’s interesting that S8 has already given us two different answers about which side of the magic fence Slayers belong to, human or demon and there have already been
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I think our basic difference is that I don’t take Voll at face value and I don’t think Buffy does either.
Oh, neither do I - that's why I said that Buffy doesn't know who her enemy really is. She's fighting humans, she's ((convinced that she's) going to be) fighting those who typically represent humanity in times of conflict, but we don't yet know whom they represent or exactly how they intend to meet their goal, and Buffy knows even less (as far as we know).
his somewhat misogynist fears about women being at the mercy of their demonic natures
He specifically denied this, didn't he?
I don’t see this issue as showing Buffy to be dead set against listening to other people.She quips about killing humans and jokes it off. She refuses to listen to any explanations about Faith. She - as you pointed out - vents her own issues with what she's doing on Gigi and then Faith. She refuses to talk to Giles when he doesn't trust her. She lies right in Willow's face, then tries to argue that it's no big. When asked what happened, she waves it off
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Unfortunately I can't really say more than that since there's not a word of your post that I take issue with... :-) Season 8 is defnitely taking shape around us now.
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Well even the naysayers seem to agree it was a pivotal episode. What form of knowledge do you think Willow was stripping from the serpent lady in front of the trees?
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Oh, that one's easy. :-)
And the serpent said unto the woman: Ye shall not surely die; for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.
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But like you say, the situations are completely different. Buffy's problem here is that she's had everything turn on her; from protecting humanity against the supernatural, she now sees herself forced to protect the supernatural against humanity. Buffy doesn't know who her enemy really is, whom they represent and what they stand for - and against whom she is supposed/allowed to fight. For all we know, by "doing whatever ( ... )
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Oh, neither do I - that's why I said that Buffy doesn't know who her enemy really is. She's fighting humans, she's ((convinced that she's) going to be) fighting those who typically represent humanity in times of conflict, but we don't yet know whom they represent or exactly how they intend to meet their goal, and Buffy knows even less (as far as we know).
his somewhat misogynist fears about women being at the mercy of their demonic natures
He specifically denied this, didn't he?
I don’t see this issue as showing Buffy to be dead set against listening to other people.She quips about killing humans and jokes it off. She refuses to listen to any explanations about Faith. She - as you pointed out - vents her own issues with what she's doing on Gigi and then Faith. She refuses to talk to Giles when he doesn't trust her. She lies right in Willow's face, then tries to argue that it's no big. When asked what happened, she waves it off ( ... )
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