The purpose of the porn, besides as a distraction from exposition, I go back and forth on. It's clearly OTT which signals comedy for me, but then again "Smashed" had Spuffy bringing down the house (which within the context of the series was pretty OTT) and that was played maybe with a wink but mostly straight. Angearia made a post talking about how it was bad porn, and I don't think it was particularly erotic or even intended to be.
Willow was wrong, Angel seems to be partly wrong, so there's no reason to be certain that Giles is right. I do hope the Universe is more clearly defined, and since Buffy's amping-up of abilities did correspond with the deaths of slayers around the world I still think that Willow was partly right, if wrong in the details. The relationship between the new powers and the slayer line has got to be more complex than "She showed herself to be an impressive specimen" because the whole arc has dealt with the impact of the new slayers in ways that weren't just "Look at how big a deal Buffy is," though I'm sure there's a part of her superiority-inferiority-complexed heart which sees it that way.
Love is a selfish emotion. Whiskey said that on Joss Whedon’s behalf in the second season Dollhouse opener and love has been the constant backdrop to this comic book continuation of BtVS. The new slayers love Buffy, humanity loves vampires, Warren loves Amy, Kenny loves Dawn, Dracula loves Xander. None of them really knows the first thing about the objects of their affection. Love at first sight, love as a celebrity crush. Now the Universe reveals itself to be Buffy and Angel’s biggest fan and methinks this can’t be good.
Yes. I think on shadowkat's journal you mentioned Willow giving up Tara was one of the strongest expressions of love; I'd add Satsu coming to accept that her Buffy-love isn't returned the way she wants it to as a bit of genuine emotion as well. Dawn and Xander I'm on the fence about; Willow and Kennedy I think is equal parts terrible and beautiful.
I'd agree that the porn wasn't intended to be erotic in the sense of being something simply intended to turn the viewer on. I don't think it was meant to be entirely farcial either. Some of the full length shots didn't quite work but I was quite taken by the two fragmented pages (the Angel goes down one and the two page spread with panels of Buffy's sex face interleaved like polaroids with cyclones and coelocanths and cougars). They did kind of work to get me into Buffy's head while her body was being all nothing but mammal. Ripping a hole in the fabric of the world is very much the comic book version of bringing the house down, I think. OTT but that's always been the nature of the show and its metaphors.
The relationship between the new powers and the slayer line has got to be more complex than "She showed herself to be an impressive specimen" Buffy and Angel simply winning 'best in show' would be kind of farcical although maybe no more so than Glory's big plan being "Go home."
We're pretty much on the same page about the relationships you mentioned.
Well, I go back and forth on the farcical aspects. I think the pages are genuinely funny, especially the mountain bit. But the shattered images do have some real impact. Because the porn was so in-your-face I feel like I need to make value-judgments right now, but I admit I'm still not 100% attached to any interpretation and can change my mind. There's a lot of negativity out there about the sex scenes.
I'd say more ludicrous than Glory's plan myself. Glory is after all a spoiled idiot set up to contrast with Buffy's self-sacrifice and magnamity, so simple works pretty well there. I'm kind of amused that Meltzer described himself in interviews as having a plot brain, because Giles' explanation makes almost no sense, but it's fine, I'm along for the ride.
There's a lot of negativity out there about the sex scenes. The collective doesn't seem to have quite made up its mind whether they're bad because they're too porny or not porny enough. Whatever. They're not, not funny. There's something, I hesitate to say given the bad sex pun issue, tongue in cheek about them. Like said not the stuff of srs string accompaniment. I'm tempted to make that Bad Reputation vid to explain what I mean. Except it would take time away from the extremely serious Sarah Connor = Chaka Khan vid. Decisions, decisions.
The collective doesn't seem to have quite made up its mind whether they're bad because they're too porny or not porny enough. Whatever.
Well, I get that there's a lot of people who would rather there not be anything porny, and a lot who would like what they consider to be porny to be *good porn*. I even understand the argument that it's antifeminist to have the whole plotline hinge on Buffy's sex life so strongly. But none of them really match up to my feelings reading the issue and the arc so I'm mostly ignoring them.
They're not, not funny. There's something, I hesitate to say given the bad sex pun issue, tongue in cheek about them. Like said not the stuff of srs string accompaniment. I'm tempted to make that Bad Reputation vid to explain what I mean.
Vidding is one of those parts of fandom (like fic) I've mostly been underexposed to, mostly to read print meta. Still I'm very curious.
Except it would take time away from the extremely serious Sarah Connor = Chaka Khan vid. Decisions, decisions.
And this is where I admit with shame that I've only watched four T:TSCC episodes. I liked it and the show is totally on my list. Well, the longer comments I write the further back it'll get pushed I suppose.
Willow was wrong, Angel seems to be partly wrong, so there's no reason to be certain that Giles is right. I do hope the Universe is more clearly defined, and since Buffy's amping-up of abilities did correspond with the deaths of slayers around the world I still think that Willow was partly right, if wrong in the details. The relationship between the new powers and the slayer line has got to be more complex than "She showed herself to be an impressive specimen" because the whole arc has dealt with the impact of the new slayers in ways that weren't just "Look at how big a deal Buffy is," though I'm sure there's a part of her superiority-inferiority-complexed heart which sees it that way.
Love is a selfish emotion. Whiskey said that on Joss Whedon’s behalf in the second season Dollhouse opener and love has been the constant backdrop to this comic book continuation of BtVS. The new slayers love Buffy, humanity loves vampires, Warren loves Amy, Kenny loves Dawn, Dracula loves Xander. None of them really knows the first thing about the objects of their affection. Love at first sight, love as a celebrity crush. Now the Universe reveals itself to be Buffy and Angel’s biggest fan and methinks this can’t be good.
Yes. I think on shadowkat's journal you mentioned Willow giving up Tara was one of the strongest expressions of love; I'd add Satsu coming to accept that her Buffy-love isn't returned the way she wants it to as a bit of genuine emotion as well. Dawn and Xander I'm on the fence about; Willow and Kennedy I think is equal parts terrible and beautiful.
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The relationship between the new powers and the slayer line has got to be more complex than "She showed herself to be an impressive specimen"
Buffy and Angel simply winning 'best in show' would be kind of farcical although maybe no more so than Glory's big plan being "Go home."
We're pretty much on the same page about the relationships you mentioned.
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I'd say more ludicrous than Glory's plan myself. Glory is after all a spoiled idiot set up to contrast with Buffy's self-sacrifice and magnamity, so simple works pretty well there. I'm kind of amused that Meltzer described himself in interviews as having a plot brain, because Giles' explanation makes almost no sense, but it's fine, I'm along for the ride.
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The collective doesn't seem to have quite made up its mind whether they're bad because they're too porny or not porny enough. Whatever. They're not, not funny. There's something, I hesitate to say given the bad sex pun issue, tongue in cheek about them. Like said not the stuff of srs string accompaniment. I'm tempted to make that Bad Reputation vid to explain what I mean. Except it would take time away from the extremely serious Sarah Connor = Chaka Khan vid. Decisions, decisions.
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Well, I get that there's a lot of people who would rather there not be anything porny, and a lot who would like what they consider to be porny to be *good porn*. I even understand the argument that it's antifeminist to have the whole plotline hinge on Buffy's sex life so strongly. But none of them really match up to my feelings reading the issue and the arc so I'm mostly ignoring them.
They're not, not funny. There's something, I hesitate to say given the bad sex pun issue, tongue in cheek about them. Like said not the stuff of srs string accompaniment. I'm tempted to make that Bad Reputation vid to explain what I mean.
Vidding is one of those parts of fandom (like fic) I've mostly been underexposed to, mostly to read print meta. Still I'm very curious.
Except it would take time away from the extremely serious Sarah Connor = Chaka Khan vid. Decisions, decisions.
And this is where I admit with shame that I've only watched four T:TSCC episodes. I liked it and the show is totally on my list. Well, the longer comments I write the further back it'll get pushed I suppose.
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