First off, I'm not gonna lie -- I loved this episode. I never feel that the premieres are all that strong, and my favourite till this point (besides 'Pilot', of course) was 'A Tale of Two Cities'.
Oh I think Ben can easily live to and past the final episode.
And about his eyes...lol...did you notice in that scene where Smokey was explaining himself to Ben, the starting of a glint in Ben's eyes? Almost like "this is an opportunity". he's not with it, bless him...he's broken and crushed...but that little glint there gave me hope that he's slowly going to start pulling himself together.
Smokey obviously still needs Ben. And I like that. Besides...I always disliked Jacob anyway.
As for Sayid - I want him to die and stay dead. He's one of the characters I really really dislike - probably because of what he's done to Ben! I get protective over our little Benji...
I want Ben to live past the final episode, and obviously anything can happen. I just don't think he will.
I actually didn't notice the glint, but I'll look for it on my next viewing of the episode! I really don't think Ben will ever pull himself together again, though, because I've always thought that Alex's death destroyed him.
As for Sayid...I haven't liked him all that much for a long time. Here and there I'll think, 'yes, this was why he used to be my favourite character!' And actually, I felt that way in the flash-sideways. Ever since Shannon died it's like the writers haven't really known what to do with him. And obviously YMMV on that.
LOL Well I think it crushed Ben - but I don't think Alex's death destroyed him. It'll take him time - and he'll never be the same as he was - but he'll be back.
I'm hoping the glint wasn't wishful thinking on my part but it DID seem like Ben's brain kicked into gear a tiny bit then. At the moment, he's being buffetted every which way - as well as dealing with the fact that Smokey has manipulated HIM.
I shall, however, be very disappointed in the writers if they leave Ben in this bad place he's in.
Well I think it crushed Ben - but I don't think Alex's death destroyed him. It'll take him time - and he'll never be the same as he was - but he'll be back.
Maybe, but it's been two years for him and he still hasn't got over it. At least in my opinion. I'm not sure we'll ever see the Ben who was in control of everything around him again.
Which is not to say that we'll never see him be droll or snarky again, but I don't believe he'll ever get back to the place he was in during seasons 2 and 3.
Oh I agree - he'll never be the same as he was during those earlier seasons...and he'll never get back to that same place.
And I don't think we'll see Ben "completely" in control of everything around him - if he ever really was.
He'll definitely start to join the dots - and figure out a way for it all to benefit him.
But does Ben even still want what he had?
I also blame Richard. For a lot. It's obvious that, even though he was leader of the Others, Ben was never privvy to a lot of information. Information that I suspect Widmore WAS privvy to. Richard withheld things from Ben - whether that's on Jacob's orders or not - Richard has questions he really needs to answer. Screw that "friends for 30 years" shite.
At the moment, Sayid, Richard AND Jacob are on my shit list. LOL - sorry - turned out longer than I thought!
You're right, Ben has never been completely in control -- that was hyperbolic on my part. I think his knack for turning most situations to his advantage has been lost to him, though. He's only managed it in one situation since he got back to the island, if I'm remembering correctly (when he lulls Cesar into trusting him). Other than that, he seems very lost.
But does Ben even still want what he had?
I think he does. He's so bitter about losing his leadership position, and 'his' episode last season, particularly the scene with Smokey!Alex, showed how much he is still driven by her death.
Richard doesn't seem to make all that many decisions on his own. I mean, even when it's clear that some weird, possibly bad shit is happening, he still insists that no one go in the statue without Jacob's invitation.
Disillusionment is a bitch - and he's got that to cope with on top of everything else.
I think he's also in a bit of shock that Jacob "died" so easily.
I think Ben needs to just stop for bit. Get himself some space. Sit down and really think things through.
And lol - Richard has always bothered me. I think the temple water bath thingie is why he hasn't aged ... and I also think that's one of the reasons Ben didn't seem to mind the beatings so much. I don't think it's so much a fountain of youth but maybe it "delays" time a bit. I shall need to think that through - I've been so wrapped up in Benji that a lot of the other stuff passed me by.
I still have hopes that Ben will pull this back around. I don't think "Smocke" or Jacob should get too comfy.
And about his eyes...lol...did you notice in that scene where Smokey was explaining himself to Ben, the starting of a glint in Ben's eyes? Almost like "this is an opportunity". he's not with it, bless him...he's broken and crushed...but that little glint there gave me hope that he's slowly going to start pulling himself together.
Smokey obviously still needs Ben. And I like that. Besides...I always disliked Jacob anyway.
As for Sayid - I want him to die and stay dead. He's one of the characters I really really dislike - probably because of what he's done to Ben! I get protective over our little Benji...
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I actually didn't notice the glint, but I'll look for it on my next viewing of the episode! I really don't think Ben will ever pull himself together again, though, because I've always thought that Alex's death destroyed him.
As for Sayid...I haven't liked him all that much for a long time. Here and there I'll think, 'yes, this was why he used to be my favourite character!' And actually, I felt that way in the flash-sideways. Ever since Shannon died it's like the writers haven't really known what to do with him. And obviously YMMV on that.
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I'm hoping the glint wasn't wishful thinking on my part but it DID seem like Ben's brain kicked into gear a tiny bit then. At the moment, he's being buffetted every which way - as well as dealing with the fact that Smokey has manipulated HIM.
I shall, however, be very disappointed in the writers if they leave Ben in this bad place he's in.
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Maybe, but it's been two years for him and he still hasn't got over it. At least in my opinion. I'm not sure we'll ever see the Ben who was in control of everything around him again.
Which is not to say that we'll never see him be droll or snarky again, but I don't believe he'll ever get back to the place he was in during seasons 2 and 3.
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And I don't think we'll see Ben "completely" in control of everything around him - if he ever really was.
He'll definitely start to join the dots - and figure out a way for it all to benefit him.
But does Ben even still want what he had?
I also blame Richard. For a lot. It's obvious that, even though he was leader of the Others, Ben was never privvy to a lot of information. Information that I suspect Widmore WAS privvy to. Richard withheld things from Ben - whether that's on Jacob's orders or not - Richard has questions he really needs to answer. Screw that "friends for 30 years" shite.
At the moment, Sayid, Richard AND Jacob are on my shit list. LOL - sorry - turned out longer than I thought!
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You're right, Ben has never been completely in control -- that was hyperbolic on my part. I think his knack for turning most situations to his advantage has been lost to him, though. He's only managed it in one situation since he got back to the island, if I'm remembering correctly (when he lulls Cesar into trusting him). Other than that, he seems very lost.
But does Ben even still want what he had?
I think he does. He's so bitter about losing his leadership position, and 'his' episode last season, particularly the scene with Smokey!Alex, showed how much he is still driven by her death.
Richard doesn't seem to make all that many decisions on his own. I mean, even when it's clear that some weird, possibly bad shit is happening, he still insists that no one go in the statue without Jacob's invitation.
Also I like Richard. ;)
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I think he's also in a bit of shock that Jacob "died" so easily.
I think Ben needs to just stop for bit. Get himself some space. Sit down and really think things through.
And lol - Richard has always bothered me. I think the temple water bath thingie is why he hasn't aged ... and I also think that's one of the reasons Ben didn't seem to mind the beatings so much. I don't think it's so much a fountain of youth but maybe it "delays" time a bit. I shall need to think that through - I've been so wrapped up in Benji that a lot of the other stuff passed me by.
I still have hopes that Ben will pull this back around. I don't think "Smocke" or Jacob should get too comfy.
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