Who wants to talk about The Avengers?
I've got it bad guys, and by it I mean I have a bad case of The Avengers fangirling.
I freaking LOVED this movie you guys. I've always been a fan of the superhero movie genre, not fannish in a fandom way but I have always enjoyed everything from Superman, Spider Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Thor...well you get the gist. I dig them! Good, ( Read more... )
I freaking LOVED this movie you guys. I've always been a fan of the superhero movie genre, not fannish in a fandom way but I have always enjoyed everything from Superman, Spider Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Thor...well you get the gist. I dig them! Good, ( Read more... )
How could I not fall for them? I don't think I've set sail on a ship this fast since I heard "Well this seems familiar". They've got such a great parallel to K/L that they hooked me right away on all the things I love when shipping. It helps that they are incredibly good to look at together too. (side note: I now have a Renner situation to deal with!)
Joss knows how to hook us. It's a gift he has, I keep saying a quick fannish prayer that they keep him around for a few more. His brand of storytelling is what they need so that they're not just heroes in suits but people we can connect to.
No problem on the comm shout. It's been a fun addition to my flist. I have a tons of fics bookmarked and will hopefully be able to read during my vacation. I'm excited! Are you guys planning on doing another party post/intro kind of thing since people keep joining? The comm has been getting recced like crazy over on ONTD in all The Avenger posts there too. Lots of C/N love out there!
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**sympathizes**
It can happen when you least expect it. We need to form a support group. ;P
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http://workerbee73.tumblr.com
(but omg so many pretty pictures)
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Erm, I just needed to mention that.
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You have heard him sing right? I can't even Bee. I literally turn into a spazzy fangirl when music comes from him. It's so lovely!
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;P
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I also have this head canon that Natasha can rock some classic Russian ballet talent. All that grace and beauty as she fights is like a well choreographed dance. Its sort of cheesy but i dig it, i feel like it would be her yoga and solitary de-stressing activity I think it works so well with him being a musician too. Hidden talent master assassins!
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Okay, we seriously need to do a headcanon post. I HAVE LISTS OF THINGS. LISTS, I TELL YOU.
For example:
Clint plays a mean acoustic guitar, and is partial to old-school country. He can also sing like you wouldn't believe (although he rarely ever does-- except he will when Natasha asks him too).
They've been working together for five years.
There's a 10+ age difference between the characters (just like in RL). I don't know why, it just works better this way. She's seen and experienced and been through so much in her relatively young life that I feel like a 'mere mortal' such as Clint would need to be older to have any kind of chance of relate to her world-weary experiences. I just can't see her possibly relating to someone her own age-- for her, it would be like trying to be BFF's with a 6 year old.
He pretty much fell in love with her when he was sent to kill her, and that was a big reason he spared her life. He's been in love with her ever since but it's totally this kind of unspoken thing between them, and he'd never say anything b/c (i) he figures she wouldn't be interested and (ii) he'd never want her to feel obligated to reciprocate those feelings out of some sense of debt because of what he did for her back in the day.
Clint's persona is totally this too-cool-for-school classic gunslinger hero type right out of an old Western. (and he totally owns an old-ass beat up pickup truck too)
..... and that's just my Clint headcanon, I'm still working on Tasha's....
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I have alot of feelings and thoughts I will be adding to this shortly since my flight just got cancelled and I am on my way back to my apartment. Once I get there I will be showing you my head canon!!! Omg excite!
Head canon spoiler alert....Clint rocking out with a guitar and a truck and yes yes yes and all these kind of American bad boy things that Tasha is totally turned on by but would never say it. Then he finds out she dances and it's like this really serene part of her that he discovers. Like a secret of hers he wants to protect and never tells her he knows. Until fate steps in. Ok home soon!
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I totally agree on the age difference. At least 10 years and its something that doesn't always sit well with him, doesn't turn him off but he sometimes wonders if she decided to walk away from SHIELD and the life would she find a piece of happiness for herself that wouldn't remind her of death/her past. Part of him wants her to do it but more than anything he eventually wants her to do it with him.
I think Tasha has used the "red in her ledger" comment on more than one occasion around him and while it definitely doesn't mean that's the only reason she stays, that's exactly what Clint worries. Owing him a debt for Tasha is to say, I'll stay by you forever because you cared about me enough to save me and I'm going to save you right back. I think it's kind of a perfect miscommunication for them. Because what good couple in a great story don't have some kind of miscommunication? Tasha says "I love you" more than he realizes. Every bullet she fires to cover him and every time she takes down an enemy that's threatening him...that's her vow, that's her promise. Maybe she has a ritual after a fight, she touches him or asks him a question...IDK but whatever she does, the words I love you are running through her head. But her biggest fear is that her ability to sustain that love was stolen and programmed out of her. She's called it a phase or a passing attraction but here she is 5 years later still watching his back and still silently professing her love.
Here's where my ballet thing came from and it's probably totally lame but I can't even care. So at the end of the movie we see Tony and Pepper looking at the plans for the Avengers tower. With the floors mapped out for each of them. Pepper being the smart people person she is asks all of them if they have a certain personal touch they want added to their floor. Tasha ends up explaining a small dance space, nothing too big or fancy. Just a hardwood floor, a couple mirrors and a barre. She doesn't come out and say its for her to dance but Pepper doesn't ask, just gets it that she needs a space (and bonus bonding of awesome chicks in my head). So she keeps the room under lock and key but that's where she goes and plays all the classics and gets rid of the remaining stress that kicking ass doesn't alleviate. It's a small nod to her heritage and a wistful thought of a life she could have had....a normal life where being graceful and quick on her feet had nothing to do with taking out a target. Somehow Clint finds this room, I don't know how yet...but he does!
There's also a little bit about how screwed up Tasha would be about sex and what not. At least in the beginning. She was programmed to seduce and kill...that has to screw with the libido no? Like she wants to but doesn't exactly know if she does. I feel like her emotions would be so disconnected with her body after that kind of life that the first time would be a disaster for them but that she really wouldn't get it. Like he would think everything was totally amazing and she would get the job done for him but it wouldn't be hearts and flowers, it would be fast and hot. Once she got him off she would be like...okay mission accomplished and he would be like....uh darlin what about you and she would be like...huh? Like it just wouldn't compute immediately that there's more to it than mechanics. She's not a robot but I think she would be trying to do what she thinks normal people would do. She treats it like a mission, one that she wants to do very well at to make him happy and doesn't even think about her own happiness and is thrown when he does. I DONT KNOW WHY I THINK THIS WAY BUT I DO.
This has turned into a novel but that's just some of what is going on inside my head. I'm sure you're sorry you asked now...lol
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Oh your magnificent brain. This is wonderful. Here I go, in no particular order:
There's also a little bit about how screwed up Tasha would be about sex and what not. At least in the beginning. She was programmed to seduce and kill...that has to screw with the libido no?
I think this is a good observation, and I know I've talked with Heather and few others about this. I kind of see her relationship with sex as divided into pre-SHIELD and post. Pre I think there would have been a total disconnect, like you say. Post, I think this would have gotten better, b/c while I think she still does a whole bunch of killing for them on a regular basis, I don't think she'd continue with the sex=work thing. I think SHIELD is pretty shady, but I don't think they'd ask her to do that anymore. So I figure that over time that part of herself begins to level out, to the point where she can start to tell the difference. But it would totally take a while I think.
OMG, THE BALLET THING. I'M SO FREAKING IN LOVE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW.
THE BALLERINA AND THE COWBOY. THE BALLERINA AND THE FUCKING COWBOY. NEED I SAY MORE???
But clearly yes, I must say more. I have this whole meta bouncing around in my head about how they both represent a kind of hyper-masculine and hyper-feminine archetype and yet the two of them together (whether as partners or something else)-- it doesn't compete with one another, doesn't get in the way, it's just a perfect complement. In this way they're incredibly different from pilots, b/c pilots lived in a mostly genderless world, and their gender roles were often intermingled, to the point where you could almost lose the sexuality altogether and read the sibling vibe (which some people did, as we know all too well). But not with these two. They are perfectly opposite and yet perfectly complementary, and I love continuing to discover the ways in which that is true. Which is why I'm totally internally squeeing about the ballerina/cowboy insight. I also love the cultured/rugged dichotomy and the Russian/American contrast they've got going on. I just ... yeah. One of these days I'll be able to harness all this and actually write something that makes sense.
Owing him a debt for Tasha is to say, I'll stay by you forever because you cared about me enough to save me and I'm going to save you right back. I think it's kind of a perfect miscommunication for them. Because what good couple in a great story don't have some kind of miscommunication? Tasha says "I love you" more than he realizes. Every bullet she fires to cover him and every time she takes down an enemy that's threatening him...that's her vow, that's her promise. Maybe she has a ritual after a fight, she touches him or asks him a question...IDK but whatever she does, the words I love you are running through her head. But her biggest fear is that her ability to sustain that love was stolen and programmed out of her. She's called it a phase or a passing attraction but here she is 5 years later still watching his back and still silently professing her love.
OMG, I want fic about this. That is all. **dies**
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The Ballerina and the Cowboy...oh my fucking lords of shawarma. Like 50 ideas have popped into my head. Like backstories, events, actual songs and performances, ops where their knowledge/talents come in use, just like alot of things.
If you ever want to talk this out for fic ideas I would totally be down for that. Because it could absolutely tie into my last bit about how Tasha says I love you without saying the words. I also really want a scene where she heard him play some old country song acoustically and she downloads it or something so she can play it while she warms up to dance. And another where he tells her to meet him someplace and it ends up being some outdoor russian ballet performance but he treats it kind of like tailgating, they're up on a rooftop (of course) across from the pavilion with beers and pretzels like it's no big deal.
Ahh I just want to live in my little c/n world and drown in their awesomeness!
I definitely agree with your points about pre and post shield sex. I think they are shady enough to say to her "get the job done any way you have to" but ultimately it's her discretion and I think maybe in the beginning there were a few jobs that she seduced her way through but after each of those jobs she would have to debrief with her partner. After awhile her feelings for Clint made her use alternative methods that were just as effective, like taking advantage of the fact she had a partner. As she advanced at shield she also learned to rely on people.
And a-fricken-men to everything you said about the hyper male/female roles but complementing each other. They truly are yin/yang and each others constant in my opinion. They put each others worlds back to even keel when things get out of whack.
So yeah I have more to say if you ever want to toss ideas around! I'll be reading your fic soon and will comment flail at you I'm sure!
I'm on my phone (in FL now with no Internet) so I apologize for any errors or auto correct fail!
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