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[auricle]

Okay, for the Lost fans on my flist who are also religious, I have some questions about stuff that I didn't understand due to my being Jewish and knowing next to nothing about the new testament...

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[evilpecker]

1. You can get baptized at any age, but usually it's done to small children. Some cultures let kids wait to choose if they wanna be baptized or not.
2. John The Baptist (John Paul is the now deceased Pope) - he's the one who baptized Jesus Christ.

The rest you have to ask someone with more in-depth knowledge of this stuff. I ain't no christian.

[caithream]

I believe Charlie is looking at it in more of a Catholic view, and Eko with a Christian (ie: baptist, Calvanist, nondenominational, etc.) view. Though they misconstrued even that a little.

I'm a nondenominational Christian, and the Bible states that baptism does not guaranty your salvation; baptism is accompanied by a confession of your faith (usually done in front of a congregation) and then a full-immersion baptism. Only believing that Christ is your savior will you be saved. I think they were just trying to find some happy medium here. I don't really know the Catholic belief on baptism.

John Paul or whoever the dude was that they were talking about.

I must have totally missed that, heh. What part was that?

I was getting a lot of rebirth and cleansing by fire themes."Then one of the seraphs flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. With it he touched my mouth and said, 'See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.'" - Isaiah 6:6 :D

[auricle]

I must have totally missed that, heh. What part was that?

Part of the conversation with Eko, I think he mentioned John the Baptist or something.

[lovelyanguish]

If I remember correctly from CCD...

In Catholicism, infants are baptized because way back when there was a high infant mortality rate and so to guarentee that if the baby died, the parents would have it baptized so it could go to heaven. I also think it is because the infant has the sin of the parents...meaning that it is born with sin because it was concieved...I am not sure though. I know in many other religions baptisim is done at an older age, once the person truly understands the meaning of it....The dove thing, all i remember is what they said. That a dove flew out of the sky once John the Baptist baptized Jesus...I recognize the painting...but I cannot remember anything about its importance.

I am not sure about any of these facts...I kinda dozed in CCD back in 2nd grade...this is all just from what I remember from there and my mom's freaky religious family...If you can't get any definite answers I can ask my uncle, he was a priest...

Hope it helps, and it is right.

[otoselkie]

From what I remember from Confirmation class, an un-baptized (but blameless) baby who dies will go to limbo - neither heaven nor hell. An un-baptized adult will just go to hell (because an adult supposedly has a choice and is not blameless). Water=rather significant, both because of the whole water= cleansing thing, and because of the walking-on-water thing. And, yes, most of the time dove=peace like Noah, but sometimes it's also used to represent the Holy Spirit.

I don't know too much about Catholicism, but from what I've heard Mary figures a lot in their beliefs (more than, say, Anglicans).

(A lot of this depends on which brand of Christianity you subscribe to, and since I didn't see the episode I'm not sure of a lot of the context.... Plus, I haven't actually thought about this stuff very much since said ill-fated Confirmation Class :D).

[anonymous]

No one is guaranteed to enter heaven. Beware of The Devil's Doctrine that states "once saved, always saved." That's an old heresy revived by Calvin after the so-called Reformation

[evilpecker]

No offense, but you did this anonimously why? It's a perfectly informative post you should have no shame about.

[tancred1]

Well said! New Advent is one of my favorite sites. :)

The above post should help plenty, Michelle, if you have time to read what was linked to. I'd help more if I could, but I don't watch Lost. ;)