argh

Oct 02, 2008 21:53

NO ONE knows if there is manmade climate change happening right now or not! And certainly not Joe Biden.
Palin is painful to listen to.

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atalanta October 3 2008, 01:46:25 UTC
That is absolutely not true on any kind of large scale.
Yes, everyone would agree that humans can have effects on the earth, the weather, whatever.
But scientists don't even agree that there _is_ clearly some new kind of climate change happening now (as opposed to that which has always happened and will probably always continue to happen) - much less that this is produced by people. Also, do you know how high-pressure the research funding climate is? It's like illegal drug research, it's so politicized.

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atalanta October 3 2008, 01:57:10 UTC
ok will add that to the list :)

my father has actually been reading a ton of climate change stuff recently - no job, lots of time :/ - maybe I can call on him for some recent articles.

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atalanta October 3 2008, 01:58:38 UTC
there is actually a lot of political pressure from both sides at different stages in the applying/funding/reporting process.

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christianb October 6 2008, 13:36:51 UTC
My personal opinion on such is that there are two pieces to this:
1) Is it getting warmer?
2) If so, is this "natural" or is it being further influenced outside of any sort of natural cycle by humans.

I have read a bunch of stuff on #1, and that seems pretty conclusively positive that it IS getting warmer. As for #2, I haven't read nearly as much stuff, but the stuff I had looked at had not yet convinced me that it was definitely outside of a normal temperature cycle...that's not to say I don't think that can be the case, but instead simply that I haven't seen anything yet that proves to me that it is.

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