Further thoughts on 11.02 (Sam meta)

Oct 17, 2015 15:53

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galwithglasses October 17 2015, 09:06:34 UTC
Very cool thoughts. I think you and percysowner are on to something here. I'm not even really sure the idea of being sent to The Empty is such a horrifying thought for Sam. He doesn't want that for Dean though, I don't think. I'm glad you found something to get excited about.

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ash48 October 17 2015, 11:13:35 UTC
Hee - I remember getting excited during S9 that they were heading somewhere with all this and it never happened. I would love to think this is somewhat connected. I do think the idea of them going to "the empty" is yet to be explored - but maybe it's about making their death more threatening or something. The problem is, we know they can't die so the threat is never that, er, threatening. I think it will be how they respond to that. Sam knowing that he can't be brought back might give him some level of peace. And maybe even Dean (if Dean faced). But yes, it's not something they will want for each other so maybe there will be even more at stake for keeping each other alive. Hee, and we'll be back where we started…:)

I would have thought the "empty" would be a damn sight better than either heaven or hell (knowing what we know about those places). And I suppose if they're together it might not be such a bad option.

Why do I have a feeling the "empty" is where the darkness will end up. Hmmm

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fanspired October 17 2015, 11:42:59 UTC
Sometimes I think the history of the past three seasons has been the show bottling out of telling this very story - because every time they attempted it, fans got angry.

What if the empty is simply a threatening sounding name for oblivion? I think Sam would settle for that quite cheerfully. Mind you, as soon as 'get me a young Gina Torres' said it I couldn't help hearing "take me out to the Black, tell 'em I aint coming back" playing in my head :P

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caranfindel October 17 2015, 11:47:46 UTC
The Empty sounded threatening to me because I pictured it not as oblivion, but emptiness. That you would still be aware, but you'd be floating in a void. Obviously this is a huge assumption on my part, but it don't know what else would make it so threatening to Sam. (Other than not being able to rescue Dean from it.)

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ash48 October 17 2015, 12:20:20 UTC
Yeah. It didn't sound good at all. Heaven and Hell seem like tangible places (like purgatory) - and places that can be escaped from. In comparison to that the Empty sounds much worse. I'm looking forward to finding out more about it.

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galwithglasses October 17 2015, 13:37:52 UTC
Why do I have a feeling the "empty" is where the darkness will end up.

Very likely....is that where the Darkness came from? If so, it will be a lot like cramming Lucifer back in the Cage. I think Death said it took the archangels to lock it away in the beginning. The only ones left are in the Cage.

Maybe the 'empty' is where angels and demons go when they die. Maybe monsters killed in purgatory go there too.

I'm willing to bet Sam and Dean will be able to figure out how to get it open if necessary. I'd like to know there are real stakes to them dying though.

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ash48 October 17 2015, 14:22:57 UTC
That sounds about right. And promising.

I can't remember where they said the darkness game from, only that it was here before anything else. Maybe from the Empty. The SPN 'verse needs another place to go when dead - many die and don't seem to go to either heaven or hell. This could be clever thinking if handled well. :)

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