hey ash <3, i also loved it! my grade for this ep is A+! going ep to ep let's see if ep 2 is a 5. its starting off great! welcome back Supernatural, ah, how i've missed you so much <3
Yup. Everything you said. Based on what I saw in the promo, I expected to love this episode, but honestly, it was all the little things (in addition to the showstopper that was Sam's monologue) that made it for me.
(The chances are, of course, that they WILL make the same mistakes again but at least in this episode their cycle of mistakes was acknowledged).
They already have. Sam not telling Dean he was infected, and Dean not telling Sam everything Darkness told him. But as you say, at least the problem has been acknowledged, and -- I HOPE -- their mistake cycle will be addressed in future. Sometimes, change is slow, and those boys have an entire lifetime of making similar mistakes to undo. :)
It's curious because they do often mentioned that they shouldn't do what they do (over and over again), but for some reason this felt a bit more like that might mean it (or, at least the part about saving people again). Though the test will be when they meet a demon. They seem to kill off meat suits without a thought, so if they start to exorcise again, rather than kill, it might be a change.
But, they also have to tell a story. They need to create tension and with all three of them keeping what's going on from the other, they're doing that. I just hope that doesn't keep up like that (though it's still Carver and I can't imagine he's changed his style of telling a story that much). Also, there's probably more seasons to come, so they can't "fix" them just yet. ;)
But, they also have to tell a story. They need to create tension and with all three of them keeping what's going on from the other, they're doing that.
SO true. If they actually did things in a logical manner, avoided keeping secrets, etc., the Problem of the Week would be solved in fifteen minutes flat. Which wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. :)
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Was I the only one who saw the mini Winchester family here?
I see it now in your screenshot, but missed it in the episode, as Winchesters can shoot a hell of a lot better than THAT. ;)
I watched it almost as it aired so that I could actually participate in squee - very optimistic of me, if I do say so! I really and truly liked everything but the angel subplot, and to be honest, I didn't watch the angel subplot, so I can't truly say if I like it or not, now can I?
But it did indeed feel old school, the hospital conversation was great, and I'm actually looking forward to next week! Have been almost entirely unspoiled, more out of apathy than self-control. (I'm happy to know that the spoilers are exciting you, versus the whole existential dread thing. Am I right? Tell me I'm right...)
Me thinks the trooper-lady may not be what she seems....
The angel subplot was pretty short and there really wasn't much going on. It would be great if they could drop the whole demons and angel thing, but having Cas and Crowley (and rowena etc) around means the Js get some time off - which is a good thing. Also, I think a section of fandom would implode if Cas disappeared.
versus the whole existential dread thing. Am I right? Tell me I'm right…
haha! well, yes. From what I've seen from the Js and some spoilers I'm pretty happy (so far!). I have no idea where they're going with this and I can't see Carver changing his spots overnight. There's bound to be the same old issues come up again this season, but maybe they're actually going to address some of them. We'll see!
I have thought that Singer's influence was part of the problem with Supernatural. I quite liked season six and I know that Singer took charge either late season six or in season seven, which is when I thought the quality went down. So maybe things will start to jell now.
Thanks of the link. That's interesting. I didn't realise Singer might have had so much influence over the way the story has been unfolding. That makes sense as end of S7 was getting very messy.
Perhaps the next few episodes will give us more indication of how much has changed. How they deal with Sam's infection will be very interesting - and telling.
I'll start by saying that I enjoyed it more last night while I was watching it than I do now the next morning upon actually reflecting upon it. As a casual viewer, it was a pretty good episode of television and I wasn't bored. As a person who cares about these characters, I have major issues
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They also made Sam a complete idiot noob at the end by having him lock himself in a closet with basically no weapons against a zombie horde. I mean, it was no different than Charlie locking herself in the bathroom last season -- more Carver era dumbing down the characters every time they need to make a lame plot point move.
It's the trope of "DON'T GO IN THE CLOSET! DON'T GO IN THE CLOSET!" I'm surprised the brothers aren't bumping into walls by now.
First off "I know you hate me for this comment," NOPE no no. Not at all. I love the comment and I love you, so you can stop that already!
And I do love the comment because it's meaty and there are some things that I hadn't considered. OR, I had, but I had a different response to.
He was fine with everyone else (including the car, which he was more concerned about than his brother) but in relation to Sam, he seemed the same as MoC!Dean to me.My first response to this when I read it was "huh, I didn't even notice that!" And it's true, Dean's response to Sam was not a surprise I think because I have become totally attuned to Dean being like that with Sam. I'm not sure the last time we saw Dean actually "care" about Sam - in terms of his emotional well being. That's not to say he won't do the grand things to save him - killing death for example, but that genuine "are you really ok" hasn't been Dean for a while now. I think the MoC was definitely part of that last season, and the one before was his bitterness in being told that
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Honestly, I don't really have anything to add except WORD. I was nodding along to your entire post. I enjoyed it as well for the same reasons. I had my expectations a bit low after the past two seasons, and I think it made me enjoy it even more.
And yes, ding dong the bob is dead! ;D
I'll just end with EEP, hurt!Sam!! But I bet there can be some GREAT fic arising from it!
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Yup. Everything you said. Based on what I saw in the promo, I expected to love this episode, but honestly, it was all the little things (in addition to the showstopper that was Sam's monologue) that made it for me.
(The chances are, of course, that they WILL make the same mistakes again but at least in this episode their cycle of mistakes was acknowledged).
They already have. Sam not telling Dean he was infected, and Dean not telling Sam everything Darkness told him. But as you say, at least the problem has been acknowledged, and -- I HOPE -- their mistake cycle will be addressed in future. Sometimes, change is slow, and those boys have an entire lifetime of making similar mistakes to undo. :)
Good to see you posting again, bb! ♥
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It's curious because they do often mentioned that they shouldn't do what they do (over and over again), but for some reason this felt a bit more like that might mean it (or, at least the part about saving people again). Though the test will be when they meet a demon. They seem to kill off meat suits without a thought, so if they start to exorcise again, rather than kill, it might be a change.
But, they also have to tell a story. They need to create tension and with all three of them keeping what's going on from the other, they're doing that. I just hope that doesn't keep up like that (though it's still Carver and I can't imagine he's changed his style of telling a story that much). Also, there's probably more seasons to come, so they can't "fix" them just yet. ;)
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SO true. If they actually did things in a logical manner, avoided keeping secrets, etc., the Problem of the Week would be solved in fifteen minutes flat. Which wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. :)
Also, from above:
Was I the only one who saw the mini Winchester family here?
I see it now in your screenshot, but missed it in the episode, as Winchesters can shoot a hell of a lot better than THAT. ;)
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But it did indeed feel old school, the hospital conversation was great, and I'm actually looking forward to next week! Have been almost entirely unspoiled, more out of apathy than self-control. (I'm happy to know that the spoilers are exciting you, versus the whole existential dread thing. Am I right? Tell me I'm right...)
Me thinks the trooper-lady may not be what she seems....
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versus the whole existential dread thing. Am I right? Tell me I'm right…
haha! well, yes. From what I've seen from the Js and some spoilers I'm pretty happy (so far!). I have no idea where they're going with this and I can't see Carver changing his spots overnight. There's bound to be the same old issues come up again this season, but maybe they're actually going to address some of them. We'll see!
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I have thought that Singer's influence was part of the problem with Supernatural. I quite liked season six and I know that Singer took charge either late season six or in season seven, which is when I thought the quality went down. So maybe things will start to jell now.
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Perhaps the next few episodes will give us more indication of how much has changed. How they deal with Sam's infection will be very interesting - and telling.
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It's the trope of "DON'T GO IN THE CLOSET! DON'T GO IN THE CLOSET!" I'm surprised the brothers aren't bumping into walls by now.
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And I do love the comment because it's meaty and there are some things that I hadn't considered. OR, I had, but I had a different response to.
He was fine with everyone else (including the car, which he was more concerned about than his brother) but in relation to Sam, he seemed the same as MoC!Dean to me.My first response to this when I read it was "huh, I didn't even notice that!" And it's true, Dean's response to Sam was not a surprise I think because I have become totally attuned to Dean being like that with Sam. I'm not sure the last time we saw Dean actually "care" about Sam - in terms of his emotional well being. That's not to say he won't do the grand things to save him - killing death for example, but that genuine "are you really ok" hasn't been Dean for a while now. I think the MoC was definitely part of that last season, and the one before was his bitterness in being told that ( ... )
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And I thought he was already mixing some kind of cure in his mind using the medical supplies he was looking at on those shelves...
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And yes, ding dong the bob is dead! ;D
I'll just end with EEP, hurt!Sam!! But I bet there can be some GREAT fic arising from it!
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My expectations seem to be on a permanent low (from the last few season), so maybe that does help enjoy things more. :)
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