Dean's rampage over the Stynes was one of my fave things. He DIDN"T LET THEM MONOLOGUE! Best thing ever! I was surprised they were gone so quickly. But then I remember there's heaps of them, so they still could be the Big Bad next season. Dean needed heaps of bodies to kill so it was the perfect set up.
I have yet to understand why a battle between angels, or between an angel and a human, is a FIST FIGHT,
THIS SO MUCH! I have never followed this logic. Even in earlier eps (ya know, the golden years), demon or angels fighting the Winchesters with their fists. What even is that. With one power bolt Cas could have had Dean incapacitated. It was the weakest moment for me. If ever Cas was in effectual it was now (and last week). I wish I knew what they were doing with him…
Sam is an idiot. He reminds me of all the overeducated people I've worked with over the years who can't figure out how to hit the green button on the copier to make a copy.
Oh, you gotta talk to me more about this. You mean when he met with Crowley? Or just in general? Aside from Sam having absolutely zero character growth (or voice) this season he's just been floundering. I don't even know with Sam t be honest. He's being set up to be the guilty brother who will (once again!) jeopardise the world to save/revenge his brother and will neither gain Dean's approval or support, but instead his distrust. I'm just not ready for S5 all over again.../o\
Full evil Crowley would be good! (though it could mean he'd have to kill them. Or they would have to kill him. I'm always interested to see how they work around them NOT killing Crowley. It seems, after this ep, it's not as easy to kill him as it looks…).
I'm going to try not to litter all over your comment section. :)
Yes, with the Sam thing. He's so brilliant, but he's blinded by his (perceived and real) failures with Dean. One thing that has really come through, finally, is that Dean is definitely not okay, hasn't been okay all year, and he's finally snapped--and still looks so hot while snapping. All season long, I've been complaining that they were telling-not-showing the MOC, but last night, they showed me (and I was bloodthirsty for it, as well).
The Castiel thing, though. That's really my biggest problem with this ep. I don't understand why he didn't incapacitate Dean--why he couldn't or wouldn't. I don't get it.
I'm going to try not to litter all over your comment section. :)
Always feel free to! It's my fave thing about a discussion thread. :)
It was SO good to see Dean finally snap. I admit I was revelling in it. They've toyed with Dean going over the edge all season and it was a relief to finally see it. Demon!Dean was fun to watch, but I never really felt that they knew what to do him. The MoC!Dean in this episode was very clear and I really felt that, given the chance, he would go on a murderous rampage given the slightest provocation.
The only thing that I would love to have seen this season is Dean being desperate to find a solution because he knew this what was doing. Him giving up never made sense to me. It may have been the Mark persuading him to give up (*nods*), but if Dean felt that Sam was threatened in the future he would have been trying anything to stop it.
I don't understand why he didn't incapacitate Dean--why he couldn't or wouldn't. I don't get it.
I've fan-wanked a few reasons about what could have happened, but this was the biggest weakness in the episode. Cas should have easily been able to incapacitate Dean, OR we could have been given a reason why Cas was so weak against him.
I have yet to understand why a battle between angels, or between an angel and a human, is a FIST FIGHT,
THIS SO MUCH! I have never followed this logic. Even in earlier eps (ya know, the golden years), demon or angels fighting the Winchesters with their fists. What even is that. With one power bolt Cas could have had Dean incapacitated. It was the weakest moment for me. If ever Cas was in effectual it was now (and last week). I wish I knew what they were doing with him…
Sam is an idiot. He reminds me of all the overeducated people I've worked with over the years who can't figure out how to hit the green button on the copier to make a copy.
Oh, you gotta talk to me more about this. You mean when he met with Crowley? Or just in general? Aside from Sam having absolutely zero character growth (or voice) this season he's just been floundering. I don't even know with Sam t be honest. He's being set up to be the guilty brother who will (once again!) jeopardise the world to save/revenge his brother and will neither gain Dean's approval or support, but instead his distrust. I'm just not ready for S5 all over again.../o\
Full evil Crowley would be good! (though it could mean he'd have to kill them. Or they would have to kill him. I'm always interested to see how they work around them NOT killing Crowley. It seems, after this ep, it's not as easy to kill him as it looks…).
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Yes, with the Sam thing. He's so brilliant, but he's blinded by his (perceived and real) failures with Dean. One thing that has really come through, finally, is that Dean is definitely not okay, hasn't been okay all year, and he's finally snapped--and still looks so hot while snapping. All season long, I've been complaining that they were telling-not-showing the MOC, but last night, they showed me (and I was bloodthirsty for it, as well).
The Castiel thing, though. That's really my biggest problem with this ep. I don't understand why he didn't incapacitate Dean--why he couldn't or wouldn't. I don't get it.
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Always feel free to! It's my fave thing about a discussion thread. :)
It was SO good to see Dean finally snap. I admit I was revelling in it. They've toyed with Dean going over the edge all season and it was a relief to finally see it. Demon!Dean was fun to watch, but I never really felt that they knew what to do him. The MoC!Dean in this episode was very clear and I really felt that, given the chance, he would go on a murderous rampage given the slightest provocation.
The only thing that I would love to have seen this season is Dean being desperate to find a solution because he knew this what was doing. Him giving up never made sense to me. It may have been the Mark persuading him to give up (*nods*), but if Dean felt that Sam was threatened in the future he would have been trying anything to stop it.
I don't understand why he didn't incapacitate Dean--why he couldn't or wouldn't. I don't get it.
I've fan-wanked a few reasons about what could have happened, but this was the biggest weakness in the episode. Cas should have easily been able to incapacitate Dean, OR we could have been given a reason why Cas was so weak against him.
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