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de_nugis March 19 2014, 15:34:32 UTC
I shouldn't even be commenting because I won't actually get to watch the ep till tonight or tomorrow, but I think it's fascinating that at the moment Sam is the closest thing in the major cast to a stable, grounded, species-appropriate (I want to say human, but that doesn't really fit the non-human characters!) self. Dean has the Mark of Cain. Crowley has his addiction, his taint of humanity. And [spoiler from Vegascon]Cas is operating on alien grace, and Misha is said to have said that that was going to be an issue. Despite the fact that Sam in the first half of the season went through the latest in his series of estrangements and violations of selfhood, right now he's in the novel position of being the one who is whole, who is himself. And I think, despite his anger at Dean (and fandom's anger at him!), he's also to some extent found his footing a bit in his relationships. He's come out and said that family isn't necessarily a good thing, that it's been a matrix of damage, that sacrifice can be selfish, that the sacrificer may be using the object of the ( ... )

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quickreaver March 19 2014, 17:16:44 UTC
Nicely put! Especially this: I do like that Sam remains hostile to Crowley. Someone should be, for Pete's sake, he's done them more damage than Abaddon. But I also think that Sam might eventually arrive at a point where he could have sympathy for Crowley's painfully hybrid moral state, as well. I saw one reviewer who criticized Sam for being snarky with Crowley. What, really? Crowley has not even come CLOSE to repenting, that's plainly obvious. And sure enough, come the end, *poof* ... off he went with the Holy Jawbone of an Ass.

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stormcloude March 19 2014, 20:54:34 UTC
Do you mean like UFOs? Or just strange?

/cryptically lazy spoiler cut

Oh, also I'd love to see Crowley have to make a choice between saving a Winchester and, say, killing Abaddon and he picks the Winchester. Not that I think they'll go there, but it would be delicious.

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de_nugis March 19 2014, 21:02:58 UTC
[Spoiler (click to open)]Not that this is really a spoiler, since it happened a while ago: Cas doesn't have his own grace, he has the grace he stole from another angel. Apparently Misha said at the con that there would be effects from this. So alien in the sense of not his own.

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stormcloude March 19 2014, 21:06:07 UTC
Oh, whew! I would have been rather disturbed if they were suddenly throwing ET into the mix.

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ash48 March 20 2014, 14:04:32 UTC
I shouldn't even be commenting because I won't actually get to watch the ep till tonight or tomorrow

ha! No shouldn't! (though of course you should :D). I'll be curious to know what you think after the episode).

but I think it's fascinating that at the moment Sam is the closest thing in the major cast to a stable, grounded, species-appropriate

Oh what a lovely observation. When Sam is often the one struggling with his...um..humanity, he's the one who'd currently the most grounded (rather crazy considering everything he's been through).

and I think Sam's "just keep swimming" may have less of an element of panic to it than it has in the past,

Yes, that's the sense I'm getting. This may end up being about Sam understanding the situation and therefore being able to do something because of his past experience (as much as I'd like to believe this I actually think they really have no idea...but I'll take any hints).

I do like that Sam remains hostile to Crowley. Someone should be, for Pete's sake, he's done them more damage than ( ... )

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