8.03 again! (with the bromance this time...)

[ash48]

Because...yes. That episode was just that good.

Just a couple of tiny observations and a rec.

Comments

[cassiopeia7]

I've read a few posts comparing the MOTW to Sam, and gotta admit, aside from the brilliant transition between the MOTW ripping out alley guy's heart and Sam ripping out Dean's heart in the car, I'd not seen it that way. (Yeah, I'm one of those who utterly loved 8.03's brotherly aspects, but not so much the actual case they were on. Obviously, dim-bulb me never made the connection . . . but now I'm thinking a re-viewing is in order.)

Now Dean's back he has to watch Dean getting hurt, worry that he might disappear or maybe die AGAIN. He is just so friggin' sick of losing Dean - the one person in the whole world who means more to him than ANYONE ELSE.

I get this. And Sam's expression up there pretty much says it all. But if Sam outright leaves, and Dean returns to lone hunting, another monster will corner him as this one did. There will be no last-second rescue from Sam, Dean will die alone, and Sam may very well spend the rest of his life wondering what happened -- or worse, blaming himself

[ash48]

The thought that if Sam leaves then he is leaving Dean completely vulnerable did indeed cross my mind. Very much. It's a dilemma and I suppose I hope Sam considers this if he does actually leave. I'm not spoiled for the future eps but if Sam does leave it can't be long before he returns. I am very keen to see how they play this. Sure, Sam has left Dean before - never because he just doesn't want to hunt anymore though. He has left Dean vulnerable before so I wonder what his thoughts will be on that now.

Oooh....so many questions! (I am still pretty nervous about how it will unfold, I just hope it's done with the sense of purpose that the first 3 eps have.

Mostly the MotW story was washing over my head - I was far too distracted by all the SamnDean. It wasn't until Eleanor was telling them her story did I suddenly feel like this was all about them.

Everything became a little more clear (and interesting) after that...:D

xx

[de_nugis]

I really hope they don't play out Sam leaving and coming back through Dean being in danger and Sam having to come back and save him, and stay and keep saving him. Because that comes down to a situation where Dean's choice dictates Sam's: if Dean chooses to hunt, Sam has to choose to hunt with him, or make himself responsible for Dean's danger and death. I don't want Sam blackmailed into coming back out of guilt. Even if it's not Dean himself emotionally blackmailing Sam, that to me still taints their relationship with an element of blackmail, and comes down on the side of Dean's whole buying produce while people die guilt trip

[ash48]

*nods* I can see that. I think it will be problematic if it's a simple matter of leaving, Dean gets hurt so he has to return. It won't progress their story or make for interesting developments so I'd be surprised if they did this.

The last time they willingly separated their reunion was valid for both of them (I'm thinking of after The End). Sam staying just to watch Dean's back won't provide any real solution to either of their issues. Doesn't mean it might not be explored though I suppose.

I think a shake up would be quite cool. (especially if there are pans for more seasons after this one...)

(Though part of me would love to see Sam go to law school and become a lawyer for hunters AND monsters.)

Oh I would love that! I have this hankering to see Sam as a Lawyer. (and I did love that he was exploring options other than hunting I have to admit). Hee... a lawyer for monsters. A type of Law and Order, Supernatural style. ;)

[de_nugis]

Yeah. I think their greatest challenge in all this, really, is dealing with the impact the format of the show has on the themes, characters, etc. As they have things set up it's not coming across as Dean is right, Sam is wrong, or Sam is right, Dean is wrong on the emotional and philosophical fronts at all. At the moment they are each rejecting the other in a way, and each shutting out some values that they ought to give weight to, but also each showing that they matter to each other. But the niggling worry I have is that, when it comes down to it, Dean at the moment = Supernatural as we know it, and Sam = something different. Even if Sam chooses the same old hunting formula out of his own genuine conviction, not out of guilt or sacrifice or because (please no) something happens to Amelia, it's still going to feel awfully . . . convenient. I guess I'll understand if the show goes that route why it did so, but I hope it will do something a bit riskier.

[ash48]

Risky would be great. Edgy also.

Man, I just don't know. We've seen Show do some fairly daring things and pull it off (mostly), but now as it moves into its eighth season it's challenged with, on the one hand, being the show that we all fell in love with, but also keeping the characters evolving, finding justifiable reasons to keep them together AND present us with MotW stories each week. On top of that, developing new and interesting characters that somehow fit into the lives of our boys.

*cheerleads* them on.

[cassiopeia7]

I have this hankering to see Sam as a Lawyer. (and I did love that he was exploring options other than hunting I have to admit). Hee... a lawyer for monsters. A type of Law and Order, Supernatural style.

Agreed. And I have a present for you, bb!