Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury...

[ash48]

Lost soulless puppy or devil in disguise?

I present the case for Sam Winchester: a devil in disguise.

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[phx69]

If he was something other than human, Mr. Alpha Vamp would certainly have had glee in exposing that. He was quick enough to pick up on Sam not having a soul.

The Veritas being confused about what Sam was made sense to me because she couldn't see that he had no soul and only knew he was resisting her, which - in her most possibly limited experiences - would mean that he was not human. After all, ALL humans have a soul, right?

Honestly, I think the evidence is flimsy - well except that hot bod,, lol!!

If you look at Sam's lies, they all seem to be doing one thing: telling people what they need to hear to avoid dealing with their emotions. I would think, that having no emotion himself, Sam would have some difficulty in dealing with upset people because upset people are unpredictable and unlogical.

Case in point - since we are presenting evidence :P - Sam reacted when Dean had a knife pulled on him, recognizing the real threat and putting his hands up to defend/placate his brother. But when Dean put the knife down and seemed calm, he was not prepared for the attack.

As for why he wanted Dean with him again? Well, Dean is cemented/imprinted as a concrete even in a soul-less Sam's mind. Just because he was not above letting Dean get turned to further their cause (when he knew there was a cure), does not deter from the fact that Dean is still important to him. He also trusts Dean. That is not an emotion, it is logic for him. So, no I don't think there is a hidden agenda to Sam wanting Dean back in his life :)

It will be interesting to see where Sera is going with this but for the sake of Sam's character, already so badly beaten over the past couple of seasons, I hope Sam is just soul-less and this isn't part of yet another hidden agenda. Because, really? All the lies are very wearying and make no sense for the man Sam was in the first three season.

[ash48]

Yay phx!! I knew you'd come up with some positives. I really like the idea you posted on your journal and I really don't want these things for Sam. I don't. Hidden agenda doesn't sit well with me (even though this is what this post is all about /o\) because *sigh* he's done that already. At least then he had a damn good reason. But now? Ack...

I sincerely hope we get a good exploration of Sam's character when this is sorted out. I just don't hold out a lot of hope for that.

And I SO want to believe that argument for Sam wanting Dean back in his life. It's what gave me hope at the end of the last episode. It's also why I am so torn. I'm figuring that a lot of this stuff is there to throw us off. My happy place would be if Sam instinctively knows he can trust Dean and is with him for that reason. I still struggle with why he left it so damn long to come forth. (though if there is a hidden agenda my theory is that it's not actually Sam driving that. I think I might stick to my Sam as "Other" theory until it's blown out of the water *g*).

Thanks hun!

[phx69]

Well Sam does trust Dean. That is why he let Dean get turned because he trusted that Dean could fight it :)

As for why he waited so long? Well, logically it made sense. Without his feelings, Sam would have no trouble doing what was best for Dean in the long run, which was letting him build a life with Lisa. Honestly, if Sam hadn't had to come forth when he did because of the risk to Dean's life, then Dean would have had a happy life. He would have gotten used to Sam being gone. I think it says much more that Sam DID come out of hiding when he knew his brother was in danger. Sam could have sent someone else to save Dean - he obviously does not trust anyone else to do so.

So grab a slice of happy pie and do what I do, stop looking for hidden agendas because, really, they are usually emotion driven. That is the biggest problem people have with Sam having no soul. They kept blaming him for behaving in a way, he wouldn't :)

[ash48]

That is why he let Dean get turned because he trusted that Dean could fight it :)

Ok. I'll go with that. *gives Sammy the benefit of the doubt* :)

So grab a slice of happy pie and do what I do, stop looking for hidden agendas because, really, they are usually emotion driven.

You better believe they are emotion driven!! My damn lovely, complicated angsty show does that to me! (plus it's just a bit of fun..*g*)

That is the biggest problem people have with Sam having no soul. They kept blaming him for behaving in a way, he wouldn't :)

Above everything (and even though it probably sounds like I'm laying blame) I blame him for none of this. He's a damn hero in my book and he doesn't deserve this to be happening to him. I know there will be a very good reason for how they've set up Sam for this season. I actually think that by showing us a Sam that is nothing like him we are indeed learning more about him. And realising just how amazing he is.

Oh man, I'm blabbing your ear off here. Can't help it. Sam does that to me.

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