That was intense. & Angel shouldn't be sleeping with his girlfriend. That's just so very wrong. I concur.
Couldn't tell since all his hair was ripped out, if that was him. Yeah, that was kind of bad, since my reaction was "he looks familiar" which is not what they intended.
I sort of liked the fact that they brought back all the little bad people. Me too. Nice to see some familiar places, gives an actual connection to past episodes.
I kept thinking they were making illusions to Bush-Bashing Same here. Especially when they showed the political ad with all the flag waving. Last year on BtVS they had war stuff.
I love the visions/Cordy tie-in, it seems a tad superfluous. but still good somehow. Nice to mention her. I completely forgot about the passing the visions along with a kiss thing.
What about the vampire-to-human thing Wondering about that too. Next week?
Other note - they were playing Crash Bandicoot, which I have on my Playstation (3 of the games actually). They had the theme music & everything. Carrying the power theme over from Buffy also. I liked how they made it seem like Angel was doing bad things to acheive good, then that he'd turned evil, then back to Angel still being good without really manipulating us. It was good.
You posted too quick!ascii_70_85May 15 2004, 14:52:40 UTC
Dude, I was still revising when you posted, If you care to go back and re-read. I've changed/added/edited some stuff.
That was intense. & Angel shouldn't be sleeping with his girlfriend. That's just so very wrong. I concur. Especially, when she's extraneous tacked on girl, Cordelia would've been quasi-acceptable, even then sleeping-thing is still very stupid.
Couldn't tell since all his hair was ripped out, if that was him. Yeah, that was kind of bad, since my reaction was "he looks familiar" which is not what they intended. They say something about him later ... if you didn't recognize it that was him ... I guess he was deemed a necessary sacrifice to the plan, and we've already killed off enough major characters ... at least 'til next episode.
I sort of liked the fact that they brought back all the little bad people. Me too. Nice to see some familiar places, gives an actual connection to past episodes. I sort of did, but most of the things they've done seem trite this season, Sajhan, Jasmine, Holtz, the 'real' Darla or Drusilla could kick all their asses, despite what they'd have us believe. It's good one hand but a little contrived on the other.
I kept thinking they were making illusions to Bush-Bashing Same here. Especially when they showed the political ad with all the flag waving. Last year on BtVS they had war stuff. S7 Buffy ... there was some overtones, but it wasn't so bad or direct. I just want to them tell the story. They way they present ethics/philosophy should be enough 'preaching' that they don't have to launch into a direct allegory, that's so 'bad-Star Trek' {eye-roll}.
I love the visions/Cordy tie-in, it seems a tad superfluous. but still good somehow. Nice to mention her. I completely forgot about the passing the visions along with a kiss thing. about that...
What about the vampire-to-human thing Wondering about that too. Next week? They better, if not mini-series?
Other note - they were playing Crash Bandicoot, which I have on my Playstation (3 of the games actually). They had the theme music & everything. Would they import a lesser game to impersonate it {looks skeptically}? Why would the makers object: free advertising?
Aside of Star/War craft I'm still content with the occasional noodl-ing with old Nintendo.
Carrying the power theme over from Buffy also. Yeah that's strange ... Again, it better not be a big war allegory or I'll be peeved.
I liked how they made it seem like Angel was doing bad things to achieve good, then that he'd turned evil, then back to Angel still being good without really manipulating us. It was good. Better than it has been lately, I wished they done it earlier in the season, but maybe all this stuff was supposed to go on next year. Still wtf where they doing earlier this season that was so important? Mexican Wrestlers, the Muppet Show, Ripping off 'Restless', blaspheming BtVS?
Thanks for commenting, even if it was 'too early' {smile}.
Re: You posted too quick!faith21May 15 2004, 21:33:27 UTC
ahh, my bad.
They say something about him later ... if you didn't recognize it that was him ... I did catch that, but still, it would have been easier to have them actually resemble each other. Unless they didn't want the audience to catch on in the beginning -scratches head-
They better, if not mini-series? Probably mini-series movie. Although, like one reviewer said, I'll believe it when I see it. I also read that it's a bit too rushed to do the human/ends-up-with-Buffy thing. So they'll have to straighten it out somewhere down the line.
Again, it better not be a big war allegory or I'll be peeved. Hits a little less hard than the Bush-bashing we mentioned before, as long as it's not obvious.
Still wtf where they doing earlier this season that was so important? Good question.
-goes back to re-read the post- Get it right the first time. -grins- jk.
are you finished now?faith21May 15 2004, 21:42:37 UTC
and how did she do it if she wasn't really there {head-scratch}? Eh, true, but I guess it really doesn't matter. She does touch things, so she was corporeal.
No offense, but I'm getting tired of the 'are you in' moment and everybody is on always on board. Maybe Joss will not do it this way at some point. I really half-expected someone to not raise his hand.
Can Evil-Jayne see through the glamor (which was a way cool special-effect with the camera pan)? I was just going to question the same thing when I read your line about liking EvilJayne. At first I thought no, and was waiting for a evil grin which would mean he thought they all were really fighting, but he didn't, so... (and how does that thing work, anyway? they get popped back to where they were, choking each other, but they remember the convo?)
I find it strange that W&H is suppose to have been the big deal, but it's really about the black-circle people? Possibly a convenient plot device, I wondered the same thing, but I guess we'll just have to let it slide.
why is it important he have the visions? Is it important or just a cool / odd thing to do? Possibly just so he would know about the senior partner's plans. I believe it's a control thing, because I'm sure Cordy kissed more than just Angel. I doubt he'd give it to were-girl.
ahh, my bad. No, mine. Didn't figure you'd be up so late.
I did catch that, but still, it would have been easier to have them actually resemble each other. Unless they didn't want the audience to catch on in the beginning -scratches head- Don't know {shrugs}. That sounds like a good theory.
They better? I also read that it's a bit too rushed to do the human/ends-up-with-Buffy thing. So they'll have to straighten it out somewhere down the line. No, one should end up with Buffy, that's one of those things they shouldn't resolve. No conclusion would be satisfying. Not sure who's going to end up human now if anyone, they kinda ought to resolve it though, like the Connor thing, though they didn't have to resolve that one ... (the human) I I knew before who it was ... but now they might have changed it.
Again, it better not be a big war allegory or I'll be peeved. Hits a little less hard than the Bush-bashing we mentioned before, as long as it's not obvious. You didn't see The Simpsons did you? People seem to forget CNN exists. It's entertainment's duty to inform you what you ought to believe, and why {rolls eyes, and sighs}.
Still wtf where they doing earlier this season that was so important? Good question. Bad answer. i.e. we know the answer, we just don't find it to be a satisfying one.
... getting tired of the 'are you in' moment and everybody is on always on board. I really half-expected someone to not raise his hand. At least we missed everyone's noble and sincere declaration of "willing to die for this noble cause.. la la la".
Can Evil-Jayne see...? I was just going to question the same thing when I read your line about liking EvilJayne. At first I thought no, and was waiting for a evil grin which would mean he thought they all were really fighting, but he didn't, so... I think he can't, at least w/o more info. just sort of a note to self.
(and how does that thing work, anyway? they get popped back to where they were, choking each other, but they remember the convo?) After the car drives by they announce "Game on!", "Game on!" and continue fighting. convo?
I find it strange that W&H is suppose to have been the big deal, but it's really about the black-circle people? Possibly a convenient plot device, I wondered the same thing, but I guess we'll just have to let it slide. It does make some since going back to 2.15, but still the circle people ought to tie in with W&H more visibly.
visions? important? Possibly just so he would know about the senior partner's plans. I believe it's a control thing, because I'm sure Cordy kissed more than just Angel. I doubt he'd give it to were-girl. Going back to 1.09, 1.10 & 3.11 it's a 'love' thing. I guess he doesn't love were-girl?, or it's a plot hole or something, again probably not, but note to self.
No, one should end up with Buffy, that's one of those things they shouldn't resolve. Probably be better like that, since you can't make everyone happy anyway. I'm curious about the human thing, although for some reason I don't think they'll resolve that either. I can't see them not giving it to Angel, but at the same time, they could shift it to Spike.
It's entertainment's duty to inform you what you ought to believe, and why While I'm not complaining, my mother and I caught two separate instances of Bush and/or war bashing on tv tonight.
At least we missed everyone's noble and sincere declaration of "willing to die for this noble cause.. la la la". That's a plus.
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Going back to 1.09, 1.10 & 3.11 it's a 'love' thing. I guess he doesn't love were-girl?, or it's a plot hole or something, again probably not, but note to self. I always got the impression that it was a choice. Maybe not. TPTB? They choose? Or they just don't want to place that much importance on were-girl? Don't mind me, I'm rambling.
... up to here.ascii_70_85May 18 2004, 22:18:04 UTC
No, one should end up with Buffy, that's one of those things they shouldn't resolve. Probably be better like that, since you can't make everyone happy anyway. I'm curious about the human thing, although for some reason I don't think they'll resolve that either. I can't see them not giving it to Angel, but at the same time, they could shift it to Spike. If the series were to continue, it would be Spike, however that being a non-happening thing... it's anybody's guess. Angel needs the vamp powers more, were we to re-visit in any fashion.
Spike has other super-powers, despite the fact the writers saw fit to use only a few of them, I'm not talking just the 'girl-swooning', stuff, though there is that too.
What would Angel do if he couldn't brood, I'm not sure there'd be a character left.
On the other-hand it would a fitting finale that way ... like the Buffy one.
It's entertainment's duty to inform you what you ought to believe, and why While I'm not complaining, my mother and I caught two separate instances of Bush and/or war bashing on tv tonight. I am complaining... stop telling me what to believe and entertain me, damnit! I've had it up to here. Yeah, he's the worst thing since sliced bread... now let's get on with our lives, or for those who don't have any let me watch tv in peace ... at least stop telling me every 5 minutes. I watch Simpsons, Angel, etc. so I can forget about the war/Bush, don't worry I'll remember around election time {agitated eye-roll and sigh}.
At least we missed everyone's noble and sincere declaration of "willing to die for this noble cause.. la la la". That's a plus. We got the general idea. Though I'm not so sure Jayne would've been in. He did help with the assault on Nishka's station, but thing that might've had more to do with being able to use his weapons collection, or maybe it's part of the job so he can get paid.
convo=Conversation. I've become one of those people who refuses to type out full words. Instead of anyone, I will now type neone. -extreme facetiousness- ahhhh! that's evil, both things.
Going back to 1.09, 1.10 & 3.11 it's a 'love' thing. I guess he doesn't love were-girl?, or it's a plot hole or something, again probably not, but note to self.? I always got the impression that it was a choice. Maybe not. 3.11 Cordelia was not supposed to get them, though that's what Skip said and well ...
TPTB? They choose? Or they just don't want to place that much importance on were-girl? Again if Skip was telling the truth, not necessarily.
Re: ... up to here.faith21May 19 2004, 02:34:13 UTC
What would Angel do if he couldn't brood, I'm not sure there'd be a character left. On the other-hand it would a fitting finale that way ... like the Buffy one. I actually had an image of him doing the Buffy finale smile in my head, and thought "fitting. and slightly disturbing."
He did help with the assault on Nishka's station, but thing that might've had more to do with being able to use his weapons collection, or maybe it's part of the job so he can get paid. Just watched that one the other day. It was a slightly warm & fuzzy moment, but probably a lot to do with getting his cut also. (& fear of Mal kicking him off the ship again)
3.11 Cordelia was not supposed to get them, though that's what Skip said and well ... I think I saw that one a while ago, don't remember it that well though. It's an interesting question.
What would Angel do if he couldn't brood, I'm not sure there'd be a character left. On the other-hand it would a fitting finale that way ... like the Buffy one. I actually had an image of him doing the Buffy finale smile in my head, and thought "fitting. and slightly disturbing." Similar though ... yes a bit. Angel's usually annoying or boring when he gets 'happy' or at least 'gleefully so'.
Though I don't like 'Buffy broody' Angel either. I like him when Wesley was boss, pre-Connor.
The Man they call Jayne ... He did help with the assault on Nishka's station, but thing that might've had more to do with being able to use his weapons collection, or maybe it's part of the job so he can get paid. Just watched that one the other day. It was a slightly warm & fuzzy moment, but probably a lot to do with getting his cut also. (& fear of Mal kicking him off the ship again) No, Mal wasn't a threat on Nishka's station. He's afraid of Zoe? that'd be interesting. Probably they just stuck it in there, w/o thinking about. Jayne's not so ruthless all the time anyway. Maybe it's the stupidity coupled with the I need to "get back into Mal's good graces", then maybe I can get my way more often.
3.11 Cordelia was not supposed to get them, though that's what Skip said and well ... I think I saw that one a while ago, don't remember it that well though. It's an interesting question. It's heavily implied because she has to take a special potion so she won't give them to Gru (3.14). At the same time she gives tries to get rid of them when she first receives them (1.10).
There will be a White Room Scene tonight, I think. That's almost obligatory isn't it?
Angel's usually annoying or boring when he gets 'happy' or at least 'gleefully so'. Yes he is.
Probably they just stuck it in there, w/o thinking about. Jayne's not so ruthless all the time anyway. Maybe it's the stupidity coupled with the I need to "get back into Mal's good graces", then maybe I can get my way more often. Most likely. The first two as well as the stupidity theory.
There will be a White Room Scene tonight, I think. That's almost obligatory isn't it? There wasn't, interestingly enough. Why did you think there would be? Just out of curiosity.
Happy Angel, Jayne, and The White Room.ascii_70_85May 21 2004, 02:07:44 UTC
Angel 'happy' Yes he is. No, need to worry about that evidentially. Let's go for doom Angel w/ extra gloom.
WWJnD? Most likely. The first two as well as the stupidity theory. Probably just over thinking it, just using Jayne to try to justify the main point -- tired of: 'We could all die. Are you in?' 'Sure.' 'Yeah.' 'Why not?'
The White Room Scene in Finale, No. There wasn't, interestingly enough. Why did you think there would be? Just out of curiosity. White room is usually where the cool epiphany-type stuff happens. Though the more they have used it the less cool it has been. It makes sense w/ the idea of taking down the Sr. partners, but less so since we decided to shift to the 'black circle thing' {eye-roll}.
Re: Happy Angel, Jayne, and The White Room.faith21May 21 2004, 21:57:39 UTC
Let's go for doom Angel w/ extra gloom. At least he took action, as opposed to brooding about it.
but less so since we decided to shift to the 'black circle thing' {eye-roll}. I don't blame Joss & Co. so much for that, since I guess it's the only thing they could come up with on such short notice. I wonder what the limitations were on keeping it the Sr. partners though? Are they really supposed to be invisible?
but less so since we decided to shift to the 'black circle thing' {eye-roll}. I don't blame Joss & Co. so much for that, since I guess it's the only thing they could come up with on such short notice. I wonder what the limitations were on keeping it the Sr. partners though? Maybe they were/are saving that for a movie? ... what you're implying? Seems strange that Buffy destroys the Hell-mouth, and Angel destroys W&H ... well sort of, but not really?
I'm blaming them more for the season at large. A grand season/series finale could've helped fix that (see BtVS S7). That's not all their fault.
Are they really supposed to be invisible? Have you seen 2.15 "Reprise" yet? If not it will answer many of your questions, and provide you with many more. Also one of the best episodes of AtS.
Maybe they were/are saving that for a movie? Do you actually expect there to be movies? I'm not sure I do, knowing the WB, although I think we need them to wrap things up.
Have you seen 2.15 "Reprise" yet? Not yet. Two or three more weeks.
Maybe they were/are saving that for a movie? Do you actually expect there to be movies? When I said that I was meaning when they wrote it they anticipated making movies.
Until given reason to believe otherwise, I believe the rumor that says none are planned. So no, not in the next 6 mo.s, the next year, perhaps though probably not. The year after who knows? I think at some point, there will be a demand to pick up the whole Buffy thing again in some form. Be it a new series, made-for-tv-production as was suggested, or another cinematic release. When that will be is anybody's guess? 3 years? 5 years? or like star trek 10 years, with a cartoon inbetween? I'm betting it will age well. I first saw re-runs on FX and couldn't take my eyes off of them.
I'm not sure I do, knowing the WB, although I think we need them to wrap things up. Your mistake?: It does it have to be on the WB? If legally he could do it elsewhere, FOX stands to make loads of money off any DVD release of said movie(s). Air it once on FOX or FX, release the DVD, or if you're really going for the gold -- straight to DVD like 'Trash', 'Heart of Gold', and 'The Message'.
Have you seen 2.15 "Reprise" yet? Not yet. Two or three more weeks. ooo! Again curious what you think of it and/or S2
When I said that I was meaning when they wrote it they anticipated making movies. Ahh, gotcha.
It does it have to be on the WB? If legally he could do it elsewhere It would be a legal question. I just assumed that the WB holds the rights at this point, but if they aren't interested, he should be able to take it elsewhere. It would also be a question of actor availablity.
I concur.
Couldn't tell since all his hair was ripped out, if that was him.
Yeah, that was kind of bad, since my reaction was "he looks familiar" which is not what they intended.
I sort of liked the fact that they brought back all the little bad people.
Me too. Nice to see some familiar places, gives an actual connection to past episodes.
I kept thinking they were making illusions to Bush-Bashing
Same here. Especially when they showed the political ad with all the flag waving. Last year on BtVS they had war stuff.
I love the visions/Cordy tie-in, it seems a tad superfluous. but still good somehow.
Nice to mention her. I completely forgot about the passing the visions along with a kiss thing.
What about the vampire-to-human thing
Wondering about that too. Next week?
Other note - they were playing Crash Bandicoot, which I have on my Playstation (3 of the games actually). They had the theme music & everything.
Carrying the power theme over from Buffy also.
I liked how they made it seem like Angel was doing bad things to acheive good, then that he'd turned evil, then back to Angel still being good without really manipulating us. It was good.
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That was intense. & Angel shouldn't be sleeping with his girlfriend. That's just so very wrong.
I concur.
Especially, when she's extraneous tacked on girl, Cordelia would've been quasi-acceptable, even then sleeping-thing is still very stupid.
Couldn't tell since all his hair was ripped out, if that was him.
Yeah, that was kind of bad, since my reaction was "he looks familiar" which is not what they intended.
They say something about him later ... if you didn't recognize it that was him ... I guess he was deemed a necessary sacrifice to the plan, and we've already killed off enough major characters ... at least 'til next episode.
I sort of liked the fact that they brought back all the little bad people.
Me too. Nice to see some familiar places, gives an actual connection to past episodes.
I sort of did, but most of the things they've done seem trite this season, Sajhan, Jasmine, Holtz, the 'real' Darla or Drusilla could kick all their asses, despite what they'd have us believe. It's good one hand but a little contrived on the other.
I kept thinking they were making illusions to Bush-Bashing
Same here. Especially when they showed the political ad with all the flag waving. Last year on BtVS they had war stuff.
S7 Buffy ... there was some overtones, but it wasn't so bad or direct. I just want to them tell the story. They way they present ethics/philosophy should be enough 'preaching' that they don't have to launch into a direct allegory, that's so 'bad-Star Trek' {eye-roll}.
I love the visions/Cordy tie-in, it seems a tad superfluous. but still good somehow.
Nice to mention her. I completely forgot about the passing the visions along with a kiss thing.
about that...
What about the vampire-to-human thing
Wondering about that too. Next week?
They better, if not mini-series?
Other note - they were playing Crash Bandicoot, which I have on my Playstation (3 of the games actually). They had the theme music & everything.
Would they import a lesser game to impersonate it {looks skeptically}? Why would the makers object: free advertising?
Aside of Star/War craft I'm still content with the occasional noodl-ing with old Nintendo.
Carrying the power theme over from Buffy also.
Yeah that's strange ... Again, it better not be a big war allegory or I'll be peeved.
I liked how they made it seem like Angel was doing bad things to achieve good, then that he'd turned evil, then back to Angel still being good without really manipulating us. It was good.
Better than it has been lately, I wished they done it earlier in the season, but maybe all this stuff was supposed to go on next year. Still wtf where they doing earlier this season that was so important? Mexican Wrestlers, the Muppet Show, Ripping off 'Restless', blaspheming BtVS?
Thanks for commenting, even if it was 'too early' {smile}.
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They say something about him later ... if you didn't recognize it that was him ...
I did catch that, but still, it would have been easier to have them actually resemble each other. Unless they didn't want the audience to catch on in the beginning -scratches head-
They better, if not mini-series?
Probably mini-series movie. Although, like one reviewer said, I'll believe it when I see it. I also read that it's a bit too rushed to do the human/ends-up-with-Buffy thing. So they'll have to straighten it out somewhere down the line.
Again, it better not be a big war allegory or I'll be peeved.
Hits a little less hard than the Bush-bashing we mentioned before, as long as it's not obvious.
Still wtf where they doing earlier this season that was so important?
Good question.
-goes back to re-read the post-
Get it right the first time. -grins- jk.
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Eh, true, but I guess it really doesn't matter. She does touch things, so she was corporeal.
No offense, but I'm getting tired of the 'are you in' moment and everybody is on always on board. Maybe Joss will not do it this way at some point.
I really half-expected someone to not raise his hand.
Can Evil-Jayne see through the glamor (which was a way cool special-effect with the camera pan)?
I was just going to question the same thing when I read your line about liking EvilJayne. At first I thought no, and was waiting for a evil grin which would mean he thought they all were really fighting, but he didn't, so... (and how does that thing work, anyway? they get popped back to where they were, choking each other, but they remember the convo?)
I find it strange that W&H is suppose to have been the big deal, but it's really about the black-circle people?
Possibly a convenient plot device, I wondered the same thing, but I guess we'll just have to let it slide.
why is it important he have the visions? Is it important or just a cool / odd thing to do?
Possibly just so he would know about the senior partner's plans. I believe it's a control thing, because I'm sure Cordy kissed more than just Angel. I doubt he'd give it to were-girl.
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No, mine. Didn't figure you'd be up so late.
I did catch that, but still, it would have been easier to have them actually resemble each other. Unless they didn't want the audience to catch on in the beginning -scratches head-
Don't know {shrugs}. That sounds like a good theory.
They better?
I also read that it's a bit too rushed to do the human/ends-up-with-Buffy thing. So they'll have to straighten it out somewhere down the line.
No, one should end up with Buffy, that's one of those things they shouldn't resolve. No conclusion would be satisfying. Not sure who's going to end up human now if anyone, they kinda ought to resolve it though, like the Connor thing, though they didn't have to resolve that one ... (the human) I I knew before who it was ... but now they might have changed it.
Again, it better not be a big war allegory or I'll be peeved.
Hits a little less hard than the Bush-bashing we mentioned before, as long as it's not obvious.
You didn't see The Simpsons did you? People seem to forget CNN exists. It's entertainment's duty to inform you what you ought to believe, and why {rolls eyes, and sighs}.
Still wtf where they doing earlier this season that was so important?
Good question.
Bad answer.
i.e. we know the answer, we just don't find it to be a satisfying one.
... getting tired of the 'are you in' moment and everybody is on always on board.
I really half-expected someone to not raise his hand.
At least we missed everyone's noble and sincere declaration of "willing to die for this noble cause.. la la la".
Can Evil-Jayne see...?
I was just going to question the same thing when I read your line about liking EvilJayne. At first I thought no, and was waiting for a evil grin which would mean he thought they all were really fighting, but he didn't, so...
I think he can't, at least w/o more info. just sort of a note to self.
(and how does that thing work, anyway? they get popped back to where they were, choking each other, but they remember the convo?)
After the car drives by they announce "Game on!", "Game on!" and continue fighting. convo?
I find it strange that W&H is suppose to have been the big deal, but it's really about the black-circle people?
Possibly a convenient plot device, I wondered the same thing, but I guess we'll just have to let it slide.
It does make some since going back to 2.15, but still the circle people ought to tie in with W&H more visibly.
visions? important?
Possibly just so he would know about the senior partner's plans. I believe it's a control thing, because I'm sure Cordy kissed more than just Angel. I doubt he'd give it to were-girl.
Going back to 1.09, 1.10 & 3.11 it's a 'love' thing. I guess he doesn't love were-girl?, or it's a plot hole or something, again probably not, but note to self.
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Probably be better like that, since you can't make everyone happy anyway. I'm curious about the human thing, although for some reason I don't think they'll resolve that either. I can't see them not giving it to Angel, but at the same time, they could shift it to Spike.
It's entertainment's duty to inform you what you ought to believe, and why
While I'm not complaining, my mother and I caught two separate instances of Bush and/or war bashing on tv tonight.
At least we missed everyone's noble and sincere declaration of "willing to die for this noble cause.. la la la".
That's a plus.
convo=Conversation. I've become one of those people who refuses to type out full words. Instead of anyone, I will now type neone. -extreme facetiousness-
Going back to 1.09, 1.10 & 3.11 it's a 'love' thing. I guess he doesn't love were-girl?, or it's a plot hole or something, again probably not, but note to self.
I always got the impression that it was a choice. Maybe not. TPTB? They choose? Or they just don't want to place that much importance on were-girl?
Don't mind me, I'm rambling.
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Probably be better like that, since you can't make everyone happy anyway. I'm curious about the human thing, although for some reason I don't think they'll resolve that either. I can't see them not giving it to Angel, but at the same time, they could shift it to Spike.
If the series were to continue, it would be Spike, however that being a non-happening thing... it's anybody's guess. Angel needs the vamp powers more, were we to re-visit in any fashion.
Spike has other super-powers, despite the fact the writers saw fit to use only a few of them, I'm not talking just the 'girl-swooning', stuff, though there is that too.
What would Angel do if he couldn't brood, I'm not sure there'd be a character left.
On the other-hand it would a fitting finale that way ... like the Buffy one.
It's entertainment's duty to inform you what you ought to believe, and why
While I'm not complaining, my mother and I caught two separate instances of Bush and/or war bashing on tv tonight.
I am complaining... stop telling me what to believe and entertain me, damnit! I've had it up to here. Yeah, he's the worst thing since sliced bread... now let's get on with our lives, or for those who don't have any let me watch tv in peace ... at least stop telling me every 5 minutes. I watch Simpsons, Angel, etc. so I can forget about the war/Bush, don't worry I'll remember around election time {agitated eye-roll and sigh}.
At least we missed everyone's noble and sincere declaration of "willing to die for this noble cause.. la la la".
That's a plus.
We got the general idea. Though I'm not so sure Jayne would've been in. He did help with the assault on Nishka's station, but thing that might've had more to do with being able to use his weapons collection, or maybe it's part of the job so he can get paid.
convo=Conversation. I've become one of those people who refuses to type out full words. Instead of anyone, I will now type neone. -extreme facetiousness-
ahhhh! that's evil, both things.
Going back to 1.09, 1.10 & 3.11 it's a 'love' thing. I guess he doesn't love were-girl?, or it's a plot hole or something, again probably not, but note to self.?
I always got the impression that it was a choice. Maybe not.
3.11 Cordelia was not supposed to get them, though that's what Skip said and well ...
TPTB? They choose? Or they just don't want to place that much importance on were-girl?
Again if Skip was telling the truth, not necessarily.
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On the other-hand it would a fitting finale that way ... like the Buffy one.
I actually had an image of him doing the Buffy finale smile in my head, and thought "fitting. and slightly disturbing."
He did help with the assault on Nishka's station, but thing that might've had more to do with being able to use his weapons collection, or maybe it's part of the job so he can get paid.
Just watched that one the other day. It was a slightly warm & fuzzy moment, but probably a lot to do with getting his cut also. (& fear of Mal kicking him off the ship again)
3.11 Cordelia was not supposed to get them, though that's what Skip said and well ...
I think I saw that one a while ago, don't remember it that well though. It's an interesting question.
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On the other-hand it would a fitting finale that way ... like the Buffy one.
I actually had an image of him doing the Buffy finale smile in my head, and thought "fitting. and slightly disturbing."
Similar though ... yes a bit. Angel's usually annoying or boring when he gets 'happy' or at least 'gleefully so'.
Though I don't like 'Buffy broody' Angel either. I like him when Wesley was boss, pre-Connor.
The Man they call Jayne ...
He did help with the assault on Nishka's station, but thing that might've had more to do with being able to use his weapons collection, or maybe it's part of the job so he can get paid.
Just watched that one the other day. It was a slightly warm & fuzzy moment, but probably a lot to do with getting his cut also. (& fear of Mal kicking him off the ship again)
No, Mal wasn't a threat on Nishka's station. He's afraid of Zoe? that'd be interesting. Probably they just stuck it in there, w/o thinking about. Jayne's not so ruthless all the time anyway. Maybe it's the stupidity coupled with the I need to "get back into Mal's good graces", then maybe I can get my way more often.
3.11 Cordelia was not supposed to get them, though that's what Skip said and well ...
I think I saw that one a while ago, don't remember it that well though. It's an interesting question.
It's heavily implied because she has to take a special potion so she won't give them to Gru (3.14). At the same time she gives tries to get rid of them when she first receives them (1.10).
There will be a White Room Scene tonight, I think. That's almost obligatory isn't it?
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Yes he is.
Probably they just stuck it in there, w/o thinking about. Jayne's not so ruthless all the time anyway. Maybe it's the stupidity coupled with the I need to "get back into Mal's good graces", then maybe I can get my way more often.
Most likely. The first two as well as the stupidity theory.
There will be a White Room Scene tonight, I think. That's almost obligatory isn't it?
There wasn't, interestingly enough. Why did you think there would be? Just out of curiosity.
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Yes he is.
No, need to worry about that evidentially. Let's go for doom Angel w/ extra gloom.
WWJnD?
Most likely. The first two as well as the stupidity theory.
Probably just over thinking it, just using Jayne to try to justify the main point -- tired of:
'We could all die. Are you in?'
'Sure.'
'Yeah.'
'Why not?'
The White Room Scene in Finale, No.
There wasn't, interestingly enough. Why did you think there would be? Just out of curiosity.
White room is usually where the cool epiphany-type stuff happens. Though the more they have used it the less cool it has been. It makes sense w/ the idea of taking down the Sr. partners, but less so since we decided to shift to the 'black circle thing' {eye-roll}.
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At least he took action, as opposed to brooding about it.
but less so since we decided to shift to the 'black circle thing' {eye-roll}.
I don't blame Joss & Co. so much for that, since I guess it's the only thing they could come up with on such short notice. I wonder what the limitations were on keeping it the Sr. partners though? Are they really supposed to be invisible?
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I don't blame Joss & Co. so much for that, since I guess it's the only thing they could come up with on such short notice. I wonder what the limitations were on keeping it the Sr. partners though?
Maybe they were/are saving that for a movie? ... what you're implying? Seems strange that Buffy destroys the Hell-mouth, and Angel destroys W&H ... well sort of, but not really?
I'm blaming them more for the season at large. A grand season/series finale could've helped fix that (see BtVS S7). That's not all their fault.
Are they really supposed to be invisible?
Have you seen 2.15 "Reprise" yet? If not it will answer many of your questions, and provide you with many more. Also one of the best episodes of AtS.
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Do you actually expect there to be movies? I'm not sure I do, knowing the WB, although I think we need them to wrap things up.
Have you seen 2.15 "Reprise" yet?
Not yet. Two or three more weeks.
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Do you actually expect there to be movies?
When I said that I was meaning when they wrote it they anticipated making movies.
Until given reason to believe otherwise, I believe the rumor that says none are planned. So no, not in the next 6 mo.s, the next year, perhaps though probably not. The year after who knows? I think at some point, there will be a demand to pick up the whole Buffy thing again in some form. Be it a new series, made-for-tv-production as was suggested, or another cinematic release. When that will be is anybody's guess? 3 years? 5 years? or like star trek 10 years, with a cartoon inbetween? I'm betting it will age well. I first saw re-runs on FX and couldn't take my eyes off of them.
I'm not sure I do, knowing the WB, although I think we need them to wrap things up.
Your mistake?: It does it have to be on the WB? If legally he could do it elsewhere, FOX stands to make loads of money off any DVD release of said movie(s). Air it once on FOX or FX, release the DVD, or if you're really going for the gold -- straight to DVD like 'Trash', 'Heart of Gold', and 'The Message'.
Have you seen 2.15 "Reprise" yet?
Not yet. Two or three more weeks.
ooo! Again curious what you think of it and/or S2
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Ahh, gotcha.
It does it have to be on the WB? If legally he could do it elsewhere
It would be a legal question. I just assumed that the WB holds the rights at this point, but if they aren't interested, he should be able to take it elsewhere. It would also be a question of actor availablity.
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