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I just read that here on iconrants:
Well apparently according to one post I saw we're supposed to be striking right now. See it's supposed to have started at 8pm Eastern time on THURSDAY because that's when it was Midnight GMT when the strike was supposed to start. So they failed already. No one knew when it was supposed to start. No one told other people ( Read more... )
Well apparently according to one post I saw we're supposed to be striking right now. See it's supposed to have started at 8pm Eastern time on THURSDAY because that's when it was Midnight GMT when the strike was supposed to start. So they failed already. No one knew when it was supposed to start. No one told other people ( Read more... )
Well, but NOTHING seems to be important anymore to anyone. You know about all the shit that's been going down with the education budget cuts and then the tuition fees. There was one demonstration, which turned into a huge party, but aside from that, NOTHING. If people can't even get off their asses to demonstrate to get better education, I'm not fucking surprised they're doing nothing about this. Every attempt to do something, like the strike, will not be ridiculed by me, because at least those people are trying, while everyone else is just sitting there picking their noses and laughing at them.
If there's going be an effective stirke, IMO people should at least be able to agree on a certain aim.
It doesn't matter why you are striking. The whole point of the strike is to tell LJ that they're doing it wrong. Yes, the basic accounts thing was the trigger, but I don't think that the LJ userbase would have reacted this strongly if it had been the first time LJ screwed up. If everybody had actually agreed on and gone through with the strike, it would have sent a message to LJ/SUP that they're definitely doing something wrong. What exactly that is would have had to be discussed in the fallout.
That's the only message that will really reach the TPTB, anything else is just :-/.
Oh, so copping out and turning tail is the only way to go. That's a bit pessimistic, don't you think? If I don't like the way someone is behaving, I won't immediately cut them off. First, I'd try to talk to them, and if I have to, get into an argument with them to make them see that yes, I'm fucking serious about this.
Or there's only fandom in this comm.
Well, but that's hardly the comm's fault. Every user has the option to be a member (it's moderated, but if you're an active user, you'll be accepted. The mods mostly just want to keep sockpuppets away), and if non-fandom people don't take that option, then that's their problem, not fandom's. Again, if no_lj_ads actually only consists of fandom members, to me that only communicates that fandom seem to be the only ones who actually care.
If this would be some country suffering under a dictator, okay, but this is LJ.
Yeah, this is LJ. Home to the huge, diverse fandom community. Of course nobody's life is threatened, but there are many people to whom fandom is more than just a hobby. There are quite a lot of people who have been on LJ for years, who have a close-knitted connections with friends and other communities, and for whom it would be a major loss if they had to just close down their journal and leave. Being an LJ user is not a one-time-only occasion like buying a shirt or a loaf of bread; it's more like being a tenant in a housing community. And especially nowadays, tenants don't have to take two shits anymore from their landlords.
And as far as the 'LJ is a business' argument is concerned - firstly, all businesses actually crave feedback from their customers. You can't buy a book in a bookstore anymore without having to fill out a questionaire about how you'd improve the bookstore's service. And secondly, LJ used to be a small, private site run by one single student for fun. You can't just blatantly ignore the history of the user/management relationship when you're taking over a business, and if you do, it'll come back to bite you in the ass.
I generally think that a strike is always the lazy option, I'm more for active action. And in this case, that would be leaving lj for good.
I can't agree with you there. For me, running away and sulking sounds a lot more like the lazy option than actually trying to change things. There might come a point where you have to give up on the person you're trying to change, but before that, you have to try everything to get through to them. And what else can we LJ users do than write letters and emails of complaints, or strike? We can hardly organize a demonstration, considering we're scattered all over the world.
I don't want to pick a fight, either. But I can't shut up about this, because fandom's reaction to this LJ fuckery disappointed and angered me to no end. I'm sorry if I offended you.
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No, you didn't. It's a good thing that you're standing up for the things that are important to you. And I know that my views on issues like that and in parts also fandom are pessimistic and not promotable... And I'm sorry for that.
Well, but NOTHING seems to be important anymore to anyone.
That seems to be a general problem of our time.
Oh, so copping out and turning tail is the only way to go. That's a bit pessimistic, don't you think?
Maybe it is, but sadly, in my experience, it's the only thing that works.
but there are many people to whom fandom is more than just a hobby.
I'm sorry, I keep not considering that. Because for me, LJ and fandom is "just" a hobby.
And there's the reason fandom cares, they actually have something to lose if lj fucks up. But, concerning fandom and the comm no_lj_ads, before today I didn't even know it existed, and I'm not sure why.
And what else can we LJ users do than write letters and emails of complaints, or strike? We can hardly organize a demonstration, considering we're scattered all over the world.
Okay, granted. :-) Although that REALLY would have been nice as well... Anyway, I get your point. Even though I still believe that if you're really bothered quitting is the most effective way to demonstrate your unhappiness, sorry. I hope that you don't think less of me because my priorities lie outside lj or because I'm rather passimistic when it comes to convince people to stop their evil ways since I've become really fond of your presence on my friends page. :-)
I'd also be happy to continue this discussion in a week's time since I'm leaving to go skiing tomorrow; and there's no internet. So if tomorrow there's no response, it's not because I just ran away. ;-)
And I hope I didn't offend you in any way as well.
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they actually have something to lose if lj fucks up
Hell yes. Fandom will lose SO MUCH if we're forced to leave LJ. We'll be scattered all across the internet, and it'll take forever to rebuild what we have here right now on LJ. That's why most fannish users are reluctant to leave, although a lot of us have already emigrated to IJ or JF.
Re no-lj-ads, the comm is known to most who were around when the plus accounts were introduced, and then to those people who are interested in having the ads removed from LJ. Doesn't matter if you're in fandom or not, but you do have to go looking for it.
quitting is the most effective way to demonstrate your unhappiness
It is, but it's also a no-way-back step. I'm willing to give LJ another chance, but I think this will be the last. I have my backup journal at JF, and I grabbed an account at IJ a couple of days ago, and if LJ continues to be a douche, I'll be gone sooner rather than later.
Lol, I would never think less of you just because your priorities don't lie with LJ. That would be quite irrational. And no, you didn't offend me. I'm hard to offend, and always up for a discussion.
Have fun skiing! :)
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