Умные и Образованные?

[arbat]

Был в гостях у друзей. Хозяйка дома сообщила, что, чтоб за Буша голосовать надо или совсем не иметь образования, или быть дураком полным. "Я голосовал за Буша, - говорю, - чем ты это можешь объяснить?" - "ну, это мне вообще непонятно!" - сообщила хозяйка под радостный смех хозяина. "Слушай, - приставал я, - у тебя должна же быть какая-то рабочая

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[yelya]

"Я много раз слышал от различных людей рассказ о том, насколько в Америке народ необразован."

What was that survey?... 40% believe in Bible word for word... (I can look up exact numbers later). If that's not uneducated, I don't know what is. And hey, there's nothing wrong with it! :)

[trurle]

Do you think that religious persuasions are somehow related to the level of education?

[yelya]

I don't know enough to answer that.

[trurle]

Apparently, you know enough to claim that beliefs that includes literal interpretation of Bible are clear signs of insufficient education.

[yelya]

Yes, I do know enough to claim that.
If in your last question you meant "being religious" as opposed to being affiliated with different religious factions, the statement still holds. They are religious, but that doesn't make them more educated.

[trurle]

Where is the logic? Do you think that being religios or, for that matter, believing in literal interpretation of the Bible, corresponds to the low level of education?

[yelya]

Not necessarily. The survey does not explore the causal relationships - meaning, it doesn't tell us if their religion causes them to believe so, or owning a gun does, or listening to country music. My (educated) guess would be is that it's their religion, but it really does not affect the substance of the argument - that 40% believe in Bible word for word. As I said - doesn't make them more educated. And, as I said - there is nothing wrong with it. :)

[trurle]

Well, you said:
40% believe in Bible word for word... (I can look up exact numbers later). If that's not uneducated, I don't know what is
Am I right in understanding you words in the sense that belief in the literal interpretation of the Bible is sure sign of the uneducated person?

[yelya]

Yes.

[trurle]

So you do believe in correlation between certain religious persuasions and the level of education?

[yelya]

Did anyone determine that? If you have the data, I'll look at it and tell you whether or not it's valid.
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[trurle]

Did anyone determine that?
AFAIK, no.
But that doesn't prevent you from claiming that literal Bible interpretation is synonimous with low education. I wonder why.

[yelya]

No, it doesn't. Why should it?
I say that believing in Bible word for word is a sign of low education.
I say that being religious does not mean that you will believe in Bible word for word.
You are deliberately mixing these two concepts. I wonder, why. :)

[trurle]

Now I got it.
You don't understand the meaning of words "believing in Bible word for word".
There are several possible interpretaion of the Bible, among them literal one. There are, AFAIK, denominations that insist on literal interpretation. I don't see how allegorical Bible interpretation is more compatible with scientific education comparing with literal.

[yelya]

>I don't see how allegorical Bible interpretation is more compatible with scientific education comparing with literal.

Well, study the differences and get back to me.

[trurle]

Done it.
So your point is that, while allegorical Bible interpretation can be somehow reconciled with scientific education, literal one can't, so every follower of literal interpretation is uneducated.
Heavy stuff.