They even wound up in the afterlife with the family members they had lost… Elena with her parents, Jenna and even Uncle Daddy John.
-> But where were Isobel and Jeremy I wonder? After she saw Isobel dying in front of her talking to her one last time i was of the impression that her feelings for her birthmother had changed? I mean John whom she'd disliked all her life was there, though the circumstances of his death surely have changed the way she saw him. Yet the same should have applied for Isobel, shouldn't it? And are we to assume that Jeremy is still alive or why wasn't he part of the reunition?
However, the separation between Damon and Elena was just weird. It was like, I don't know, they were, well, separated and that just didn't quite work.
-> Yes, totally agree. I would have liked it better if Damon had been included in reuniting with Elenas family and Elena with reuniting with Stefan, I understand that these were really private family moments and I'm sure DE will have reunited again too after reuniting with their individual families but we saw so little of DE in this ep that them parting in the afterworld even for who knows how long made me kinda sad. I would've prefered for them to stay together and meet everything and everyone together too just like in life, finding peace TOGETHER.
Instead, we had Elena casually sitting in the cemetery writing in her diary, erm, while she was still alive? I thought so at first, but, no, her words made it sound like she was already dead and in the afterlife. Didn't it? I'm still not sure, honestly; it was confusing to me.
-> Me, too, but I think she was dead already and writing her end in the diary and Damon came to fetch her presumably cause he had died before her (or vice versa?) and now reunites her in death. I also had a problem with them still looking so young. I mean all the ghosts and everyone in the afterlife looked the way they did when they died, Elena said she lived a long and happy life and grew old but her and Damon's appearence kinda contradicts her which only added to my confusion if they were still alive or not???
Also, why would a happy, fulfilled Elena be writing entries in a cemetery like the 16-year old girl who was dead inside that we had first met?
-> I think it was because that's where and how DE met for the "first" time. So if one of them died before the other, that's where and how they'd meet again in the afterlife, but this time the end of the scene was different which also shows how much their relationship has changed. But yes, it was confusing and unnecessary.
Alas, the confusing tense of the line ("It's where I wanted to grow old, and I did.") struck me from watch one.
-> Me, too.
The actual reunion was not as incredible as I had hoped it would be. Damon was literally in the middle of mourning his brother at Stefan's (non)grave marker. The passion and overwhelming joy that one would have thought we would get from them seeing each other again for the first time in years and sooner than expected was just not there.
-> Totally agree!
He said that it wasn't that he didn't care about Damon and Elena and I loudly told my television, "No, you don't." Twice. Unable to stop myself from doing so.
-> Me, too. Also why was Ric at the funeral? The writers were obviously trying to integrate him into the Scooby-Gang again but after everything that has happened the last two to three seasons he felt totally out of place really.
When those two little girls ran giggling and smiling into Ric's arms in the flashforward at the end and then we saw Jo watching them, I teared up.
-> Yes, it was the very first time I really felt for them, too. the scene was just so bittersweet and heartbreaking and beautiful.
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that because I know it did take a while for me to get it up.
But where were Isobel and Jeremy I wonder?
As much as I loved Isobel (and I so did), she did NOT belong there. At all. Yes, Elena no longer despised Isobel, but she certainly didn't love her or like her. She just no longer detested her. As for comparing Isobel to John?
Yet the same should have applied for Isobel, shouldn't it?
Nope. She knew John her ENTIRE life. Yes, not as her father, but as her uncle. And maybe Jenna didn't like him all that much, but he was her father's brother and he was a part of the family. She knew he was her family. She may not have been all hunky-dory with him, but he was family. And her anger towards him came when he went after the vampires, but she realized towards the end that what he was doing was all to protect her and non-vampires, and in the end, he sacrificed himself to save her life.
And are we to assume that Jeremy is still alive or why wasn't he part of the reunion?
I did. I honestly figured (and happily so) he wasn't there because he hadn't died yet.
I would have liked it better if Damon had been included in reuniting with Elenas family and Elena with reuniting with Stefan
Hmm, that wouldn't have worked for me personally. Damon barely knew Jenna and they weren't exactly close (alas) and he and John hated one another. And he didn't know her parents at all. Despite the change in their relationship, considering their past, I would not have wanted Elena there at ALL for the reunion between the brothers.
I would've preferred for them to stay together, finding peace TOGETHER.
I guess it was clear enough to me. They were all in Mystic Falls. They were all at peace. We know that the Gilbert family, Stefan, and Damon and Elena were all at peace. To me this was a way of saying that Damon and Elena had passed on together, probably dying in each other's arms. They just got there and were seeing their most loved ones.
Me, too, but I think she was dead already and writing her end in the diary and Damon came to fetch her presumably cause he had died before her (or vice versa?) and now reunites her in death.
Ah, see above... I think they died in each other's arms and that's why they hadn't reunited with anyone yet. They just got there in peace. (Plus, they were in different outfits in the graveyard than the street-walking.)
I also had a problem with them still looking so young. I mean all the ghosts and everyone in the afterlife looked the way they did when they died, Elena said she lived a long and happy life and grew old but her and Damon's appearance kinda contradicts her which only added to my confusion if they were still alive or not?
I think it wasn't just about being young, but it was about being at your most comfortable and at peace. For John because he did finally have his daughter who at least cared, for Liz who had a great relationship with Caroline. For Sheila, because she had Bonnie to pass on witchiness to, and so on and so forth. For Damon and Elena, it would have been because they were together, married, at peace. etc. I know that TVD talked about going old, but Kevin thought 'nah.' The others agreed this way was better. We choose what we want to look like, when we feel most comfortable in our skin when we're at peace.
I think it was because that's where and how DE met for the "first" time.
But Elena didn't know that. Besides, in her mind their first meeting is on the road.
So if one of them died before the other, that's where and how they'd meet again in the afterlife, but this time the end of the scene was different which also shows how much their relationship has changed.
Yeah, again, it's on the road, in fact, it's been referenced by Elena to Damon on the show already.
Also why was Ric at the funeral? The writers were obviously trying to integrate him into the Scooby-Gang again but after everything that has happened the last two to three seasons he felt totally out of place really.
I did have that brief thought, but man, I dinged on Ric so much already, I didn't want to throw another jab, heh!
They even wound up in the afterlife with the family members they had lost… Elena with her parents, Jenna and even Uncle Daddy John.
-> But where were Isobel and Jeremy I wonder? After she saw Isobel dying in front of her talking to her one last time i was of the impression that her feelings for her birthmother had changed? I mean John whom she'd disliked all her life was there, though the circumstances of his death surely have changed the way she saw him. Yet the same should have applied for Isobel, shouldn't it? And are we to assume that Jeremy is still alive or why wasn't he part of the reunition?
However, the separation between Damon and Elena was just weird. It was like, I don't know, they were, well, separated and that just didn't quite work.
-> Yes, totally agree. I would have liked it better if Damon had been included in reuniting with Elenas family and Elena with reuniting with Stefan, I understand that these were really private family moments and I'm sure DE will have reunited again too after reuniting with their individual families but we saw so little of DE in this ep that them parting in the afterworld even for who knows how long made me kinda sad. I would've prefered for them to stay together and meet everything and everyone together too just like in life, finding peace TOGETHER.
Instead, we had Elena casually sitting in the cemetery writing in her diary, erm, while she was still alive? I thought so at first, but, no, her words made it sound like she was already dead and in the afterlife. Didn't it? I'm still not sure, honestly; it was confusing to me.
-> Me, too, but I think she was dead already and writing her end in the diary and Damon came to fetch her presumably cause he had died before her (or vice versa?) and now reunites her in death.
I also had a problem with them still looking so young. I mean all the ghosts and everyone in the afterlife looked the way they did when they died, Elena said she lived a long and happy life and grew old but her and Damon's appearence kinda contradicts her which only added to my confusion if they were still alive or not???
Also, why would a happy, fulfilled Elena be writing entries in a cemetery like the 16-year old girl who was dead inside that we had first met?
-> I think it was because that's where and how DE met for the "first" time. So if one of them died before the other, that's where and how they'd meet again in the afterlife, but this time the end of the scene was different which also shows how much their relationship has changed. But yes, it was confusing and unnecessary.
Alas, the confusing tense of the line ("It's where I wanted to grow old, and I did.") struck me from watch one.
-> Me, too.
The actual reunion was not as incredible as I had hoped it would be. Damon was literally in the middle of mourning his brother at Stefan's (non)grave marker. The passion and overwhelming joy that one would have thought we would get from them seeing each other again for the first time in years and sooner than expected was just not there.
-> Totally agree!
He said that it wasn't that he didn't care about Damon and Elena and I loudly told my television, "No, you don't." Twice. Unable to stop myself from doing so.
-> Me, too. Also why was Ric at the funeral? The writers were obviously trying to integrate him into the Scooby-Gang again but after everything that has happened the last two to three seasons he felt totally out of place really.
When those two little girls ran giggling and smiling into Ric's arms in the flashforward at the end and then we saw Jo watching them, I teared up.
-> Yes, it was the very first time I really felt for them, too. the scene was just so bittersweet and heartbreaking and beautiful.
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Thank you! I'm glad to hear that because I know it did take a while for me to get it up.
But where were Isobel and Jeremy I wonder?
As much as I loved Isobel (and I so did), she did NOT belong there. At all. Yes, Elena no longer despised Isobel, but she certainly didn't love her or like her. She just no longer detested her. As for comparing Isobel to John?
Yet the same should have applied for Isobel, shouldn't it?
Nope. She knew John her ENTIRE life. Yes, not as her father, but as her uncle. And maybe Jenna didn't like him all that much, but he was her father's brother and he was a part of the family. She knew he was her family. She may not have been all hunky-dory with him, but he was family. And her anger towards him came when he went after the vampires, but she realized towards the end that what he was doing was all to protect her and non-vampires, and in the end, he sacrificed himself to save her life.
And are we to assume that Jeremy is still alive or why wasn't he part of the reunion?
I did. I honestly figured (and happily so) he wasn't there because he hadn't died yet.
I would have liked it better if Damon had been included in reuniting with Elenas family and Elena with reuniting with Stefan
Hmm, that wouldn't have worked for me personally. Damon barely knew Jenna and they weren't exactly close (alas) and he and John hated one another. And he didn't know her parents at all. Despite the change in their relationship, considering their past, I would not have wanted Elena there at ALL for the reunion between the brothers.
I would've preferred for them to stay together, finding peace TOGETHER.
I guess it was clear enough to me. They were all in Mystic Falls. They were all at peace. We know that the Gilbert family, Stefan, and Damon and Elena were all at peace. To me this was a way of saying that Damon and Elena had passed on together, probably dying in each other's arms. They just got there and were seeing their most loved ones.
Me, too, but I think she was dead already and writing her end in the diary and Damon came to fetch her presumably cause he had died before her (or vice versa?) and now reunites her in death.
Ah, see above... I think they died in each other's arms and that's why they hadn't reunited with anyone yet. They just got there in peace. (Plus, they were in different outfits in the graveyard than the street-walking.)
I also had a problem with them still looking so young. I mean all the ghosts and everyone in the afterlife looked the way they did when they died, Elena said she lived a long and happy life and grew old but her and Damon's appearance kinda contradicts her which only added to my confusion if they were still alive or not?
I think it wasn't just about being young, but it was about being at your most comfortable and at peace. For John because he did finally have his daughter who at least cared, for Liz who had a great relationship with Caroline. For Sheila, because she had Bonnie to pass on witchiness to, and so on and so forth. For Damon and Elena, it would have been because they were together, married, at peace. etc. I know that TVD talked about going old, but Kevin thought 'nah.' The others agreed this way was better. We choose what we want to look like, when we feel most comfortable in our skin when we're at peace.
I think it was because that's where and how DE met for the "first" time.
But Elena didn't know that. Besides, in her mind their first meeting is on the road.
So if one of them died before the other, that's where and how they'd meet again in the afterlife, but this time the end of the scene was different which also shows how much their relationship has changed.
Yeah, again, it's on the road, in fact, it's been referenced by Elena to Damon on the show already.
Also why was Ric at the funeral? The writers were obviously trying to integrate him into the Scooby-Gang again but after everything that has happened the last two to three seasons he felt totally out of place really.
I did have that brief thought, but man, I dinged on Ric so much already, I didn't want to throw another jab, heh!
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