My extremely, 'OMG! You have no life!!!' long "Doctor Who" post
I promised a long Doctor Who post and BOY! did I deliver. This baby was originally one post, then I split it into four posts, then I decided to go back and put it in one post. I'm done now, no more re-arranging. So it's just all together in one looooooooong, fell swoop. Phew
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I'm one of those "Not Rose AGAIN!!!" people during S3, because I figured the Doctor was done dealing with her departure after the "Runaway Bride" (which was a PERFECT post-"Doomsday" ep -- I can't even explain how right it was to bring Donna right after Rose :) The thing is...I recognize your argument about how the Doctor loved Rose (because I do think it's true), but you could maybe see how, if he keeps bringing her up, other fans might get the feeling she's the bestest, most special Companion ever. I was more like "How can I miss you if you won't go away?!" And don't even get me started on the Rose sightings in S4. :x
But I really think the reason for this is that I loved Nine with Rose, and never really accepted Ten/Rose. Actually, the two of them together bugged the heck out of me -- how silly and carefree they were throughout the first half of S2 just seemed wrong. Oddly enough, Rose seemed more immature with Ten than she ever was with Nine, and I never got their chemistry the way I got Nine/Rose (PotW, OMG!!! :)
So, to see Rose AGAIN, is particularly annoying, mainly because I think it's the wrong Doctor who's mourning her. And I grew to love Ten, but mainly in S3. If my favorite Nine moments were with Rose, my favorite Ten moments have been independent of her. I just...liked him better when he wasn't with her. And vice-versa. But I know that's a HUGELY unpopular opinion. And I know they're the same person, but my 'shipper heart still says "Nine/Rose 4evah!!" :p
But Donna also is majorly awesome (and Catherine Tate has been nothing short of amazing, particularly in 4x02 and 4x03 :D ) And I'll agree with you wholeheartedly about John Simm -- in a role that I now resent greatly because it brought so many hangers-on to the LoM fandom. The same ones who couldn't be bothered with the show before "Teh Master, SQUEE!!11" :p
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- The Face of Boe reveal being Jack was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! I loved it so, so, sooooooooo much. It made such perfect sense, was built up perfectly throughout the seasons with the conversations with the Face of Boe. Just awesome. My only wish is that I really would have rather that reveal been done with Rose who had a connection with Jack as well, or with just the Doctor himself. While I did like Martha and Jack's interactions, she wasn't enough a part of the whole background of Jack/The Face of Boe to really hit the full emotional moment there. Ah well. Tis a small complaint for such an awesomely, unexpected (on my part) reveal.
- I LOVED "The Girl in the Fireplace" and NOW I get why DW fans were so excited about Sophia Myles being on Moonlight. Too bad she wasn't able to bring as much of the awesomeness that she showed on DW more on ML. Ah well. Honestly, being the shipper that I am -- although, I wasn't in full, hard-on shipper mode until the end of the season -- I expected to be more dismissive of the episode because of how the Doctor liked Reinette. However, Sophia Myles was so good, the writing was so good, the connection between Myles and Tennant so good (no wonder about the off-screen relationship), and Reinette certainly had enough similarities to Rose to make it work for me (silly shipper here, I admit it freely). I really didn't like the episode title though. Of the other titles they were thinking of -- "Madame de Pompadour," "Every Tick of My Heart" and "Reinette and the Lonely Angel" -- I prefer "Every Tick of My Heart," but even that isn't perfect. Still, it's certainly better than "The Girl in the Fireplace."
- I pretty much loved EVERYTHING about "Army of Ghosts/Doomsday." Fabulous, fabulous job on those.
- Shipper that I am, I was a bit bugged by the whole "Human Nature/Family of Blood" Doctor falling in love with the Nurse thing. (Partly because I didn't really cotton to the actress, and wasn't impressed with her and Tennant's chemistry, or lack thereof.) Still with that said, I think these were my favorite Martha episodes. She was awesome in them.
- Despite no Rose (and likely because of the awesome that is Donna), I liked "The Runaway Bride" waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than "The Christmas Invasion."
So, I took out the one comment that had a spoiler for episode 4x07.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the Rose stuff, LOL!
I've thought of you when seeing the lighter Ten/Rose moments and I think the reason it doesn't bother me is because it did make sense for me. She had gone through SUCH a life-altering experience, and he had been blown away by what she did do that he was altered a bit as well ... and not just physically (LOL!). So when things went back to "normal" with them, they could just be normal, like they were trying to put all of that heavy, harsh darkness behind them and enjoy life. That is how it played to me. I'm not saying that they intentionally thought: Life is short, I almost lost my life and him/I almost lost her, had to regenerate again, so let's go out and be goofy, and carefree!!! But I DO think that it was there in the back of their minds, if ever not realized consciously. So I understood the goofiness.
As for the chemistry, I haven't watched season one in over two years (but that will change tonight!!! I found out that DW S1 is available for "Watch instantly" on Netflix!!!!), and have seen all of the Rose/Ten stuff in the last few months ... yet, I STILL know that I liked the Rose/Nine chemistry better. But I still think that Rose/Ten have chemistry as well, it's just -- like I said different, but enough of the same because the Doctor is still the Doctor. (Seriously, man, Eccleston JUST rocked so much as the Doctor!) I look at it this way ... Rose/Nine were the foundation that created the awesome relationship, closeness, intimacy of spirit, mind and heart and Rose/Ten because of the experience in PotW allowed themselves -- even just a little bit -- to explore that to a certain degree because life is so short.
Donna, oh my, DONNA!!!!!!!!! So much awesome. And nice to know that I'm not alone in my John Simm thoughts.
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Ooh, good point there. I would've been fine with Jack just revealing it to the Doctor (heh...that came out wrong ;p )
I didn't "hate" GitF -- I actually kind of came up with my own fanwanked theory to support him leaving Rose there (it had to do with the previous ep...or the fact that she had Mickey now or something, I don't know). I would've enjoyed it more, even the romantic angle, if he hadn't willfully left Rose stranded, I think. Because you know I was thinking the entire time, "Nine NEVER would've done that to her!!!" :p
I was a bit bugged by the whole "Human Nature/Family of Blood" Doctor falling in love with the Nurse thing.
I really felt for Martha there -- but I will say DT did a fabulous job acting. It really made me realize the scope of his talent. :D In my own personal BAFTAs, he's got a nomination for those eps. ;p
I liked "The Runaway Bride" waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than "The Christmas Invasion."
Hee. To me, this is the equivalent of "I like Brooke White better than that Star Wars chick from the auditions." :p I did NOT like TCI AT ALL, and never understood why everyone thought it was good. ;p
So when things went back to "normal" with them, they could just be normal, like they were trying to put all of that heavy, harsh darkness behind them and enjoy life.
I see what you mean, but I feel like they went beyond "carefree" right into "careless." One scene in "Tooth & Claw" bugs the heck out of me -- when they're like "werewolf, yay!" when someone had just died. It struck me as...incredibly callous, and something neither S1 Rose nor Nine would've EVER done. I'm not sure I ever forgave them for that. ;p
like I said different, but enough of the same because the Doctor is still the Doctor
That's where I have trouble. I know they're the same people, but to me, they're not, because they're different actors. I haven't watched enough soap recasts of characters I freaking ADORED, to see the changes as normal. :/ Like when he put the gas mask on and did "Are you my mummy" in 4x05, all I could think is "Wha? You weren't there!!" :p
(Randomly OT from yesterday..."Innocent" is excellent. :D Thank you for the link!!! I agree with the Internet. ;p )
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You know, I might have a different point of view rewatching it now because it had been two years since I'd watched S1 and had only seen the first three eps of S2 recently.
I really felt for Martha [in "Human Nature/Family of Blood"] -- but I will say DT did a fabulous job acting. It really made me realize the scope of his talent. :D In my own personal BAFTAs, he's got a nomination for those eps. ;p
Hah! Agreed all around. I may not have been a fan of the Martha-crush, even if I think there was a point to it which I believe worked, but I still remember her line about "you had to go and fall in love with a human and it wasn't me." Heartbreaking.
So when things went back to "normal" with them, they could just be normal, like they were trying to put all of that heavy, harsh darkness behind them and enjoy life.
I see what you mean, but I feel like they went beyond "carefree" right into "careless." One scene in "Tooth & Claw" bugs the heck out of me -- when they're like "werewolf, yay!" when someone had just died. It struck me as...incredibly callous, and something neither S1 Rose nor Nine would've EVER done. I'm not sure I ever forgave them for that. ;p
See, I don't even remember that so I'd have to watch it again (what a hardship, LOL!) to mount a defense.
like I said different, but enough of the same because the Doctor is still the Doctor
That's where I have trouble. I know they're the same people, but to me, they're not, because they're different actors. I haven't watched enough soap recasts of characters I freaking ADORED, to see the changes as normal.
It's so funny you say that because I love soap operas, but HATE, positively HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE recasts and think they're necessary only about 5% of the time that they are used. But it works for me in Who because it makes sense. There's a "logical" reason behind it, so I buy "same person, different face" with them.
:/ Like when he put the gas mask on and did "Are you my mummy" in 4x05, all I could think is "Wha? You weren't there!!" :p
LOL! See and for me, I do think of them as the same to the point where I wish we would have flashbacks with Eccleston now and then (I think there was one but that was it). By not showing him more in the adventures, I think they're helping keeping the disconnect in a weird way. I'd suggest the older Doctors too, but the TV technology is so different it would be jarring.
(Randomly OT from yesterday..."Innocent" is excellent. :D Thank you for the link!!! I agree with the Internet. ;p )
Isn't it? The live one is so very meh, but the recorded is awesome.
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