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Sep 29, 2006 18:22

Dear oh dear some of the people on this live journal caper are really wacky you know, so much abuse and cheek have I copped from some of these people that I dont know if I should keep on or not ( Read more... )

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marisapaull September 29 2006, 08:55:30 UTC
I "reckon" that life in a beautiful cage is still life in a cage, and that no matter how richly endowed, a life lacking choice is inhumane. "Being well taken care of" is, outside of a very select group of socialites and debutantes, not the common human dream. Being self-empowered and having the ability to create and live the life you want, that's the common dream. I mean, just read any teenager's journal - they're all yearning for independence, not health benefits ( ... )

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anton_smertzer September 29 2006, 09:08:18 UTC
Hey Ris,

I think i'd agree with all that except maybe to point out that conditions in those days were a lot harder for everyone so that should be factored into the equation.

Why did you study the period? interest or school?

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marisapaull September 29 2006, 09:39:30 UTC
I studied the period first out of interest, and then in school.

And yes, conditions were harder for everyone back then, but there were people sleeping on silk sheets and eating a varied diet, wearing shoes and wiping their noses on lace-edged handkerchiefs, and then there were people sleeping with a minimum of bedclothing made of the roughest and most-worn down material, eating an unbalanced and monotonous diet, without anything approaching what you might call healthcare, much less comfort. Yeah, they didn't have central air conditioning back then, but it still seems only reasonable to understand that those who were the masters had the period's equivalent of Ritz-Carlton lifestyles, while those imprisoned under them by law and with no hope of escape were living on a standard not much higher - and sometimes lower - than today's urban homeless.

ris

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anton_smertzer September 29 2006, 09:17:03 UTC
Another point in the book was that all the good care they received at the hands of their masters stultified their work ethic, what do you reckon about that?

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marisapaull September 29 2006, 09:46:40 UTC
I think it ridiculous almost to the point of being insulting to the intellect to think that a person should or could EVER be expected to have a work ethic when it is clear that they will never gain anything from having a work ethic. As far as I'm concerned, any discussion of "work ethic" among slaves starts and ends there - any "work ethic" that they do or do not exhibit as a result of treatment isn't work ethic at all, because the ethics of the situation are so far skewed. All it is is a response to stimuli, a simple cause and effect relationship ( ... )

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anton_smertzer September 29 2006, 10:48:47 UTC
Well sure that's all true but do ya reckon that African Americans have less of a work ethic than other Americans?

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marisapaull September 29 2006, 11:07:20 UTC
Definitely not.

ris

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anton_smertzer October 1 2006, 11:54:08 UTC
An awful lotta people reckon otherwise Ris.

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trollingtroll September 29 2006, 10:58:07 UTC
excuse us but dont you have a problem with the term "nignogs" for all your flowery writing about golden cages i worry about you not reacting to that obscenity.

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marisapaull September 29 2006, 11:13:08 UTC
Yes I have a problem with that term but I pretty much saw it as an attempt to "get at" people and get them emotional, and I thought, if I'm going to even bother to address something so preposterous as the idea that "maybe it wasn't so bad to be a slave" that I definitely wasn't going to fall for an outright attempt to anger me.

Any name calling is juvenile, hurtful, and a base form of disrespect. I don't support it. But I also know that yelling back isn't going to get people to stop.

ris

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trollingtroll September 29 2006, 11:17:44 UTC
I think the thought that its ok to use the term "nignog" is the same as saying its not that bad being a slave.

Sorry but I find it odd you react to one and not the other.

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marisapaull September 29 2006, 11:36:04 UTC
You're more than welcome to find me odd! Many people do, including me sometimes.

ris

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trollingtroll September 29 2006, 11:42:48 UTC
Subconcious racism is sadly all too common.

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anton_smertzer September 29 2006, 11:14:30 UTC
Hey just an expression, Ris is like me not a lazy down and outer like you.

Are you a nig?

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trollingtroll September 29 2006, 11:18:10 UTC
no i'm a spic

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