intrinsic gender differences in young male/female chimps

Dec 20, 2010 12:49

Female chimpanzees treat sticks and small logs as dolls by cuddling them, creating games and even putting them to bed, new research finds. - Since young male chimps were less inclined to play dollies, the authors say their study presents the first evidence of an animal species in the wild in which play differs between males and females. - "Our data ( Read more... )

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dialogic January 5 2011, 00:14:18 UTC
Let's grant the strongest form of your thesis: these differences do exist, they exist not only in the studied group but across the species, and the difference has a biological rather than social origin. Now what?

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pocketfullofsin January 5 2011, 01:59:38 UTC
Exactly.

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writerspleasure January 5 2011, 02:22:19 UTC
pocketfullofsin January 11 2011, 23:58:57 UTC
You seriously linked me to a comment directly below this one?

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writerspleasure January 12 2011, 00:20:57 UTC

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pocketfullofsin January 12 2011, 03:15:16 UTC
lol ty bb ~^____^~

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writerspleasure January 12 2011, 03:20:19 UTC

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writerspleasure January 5 2011, 02:20:49 UTC
what do you mean by "now what," exactly? are you looking for praxis, theoria, emotional effects, legal consequences, both, neither? what does happen, has happened, should happened, will happen, has been and is happening? this is why little telegrams don't work ( ... )

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dialogic January 5 2011, 03:16:41 UTC
(1) Show your work. Show how hard social construction re: persons has taken a hit. Show me how this scales.
(2) This likewise requires the "missing link" that (1) requires.
(3) Oh Jesus, okay, they all need this.

You're the St. John's guy, right? Look, no one has had a bigger hard-on on this board for genetic destiny than me throughout the years. Nevertheless, until you can give me a good argument that these results have meaning across species, I am not excited by this. The position of the "hard social constructionist," which nowadays is not unlike saying the "committed logical positivist," is backlighted by the supposition of strong, non-biological social manipulation of persons to which plastic gendered behaviors are highly responsive. And unless you can show me that such manipulation in bonobos or what have you is enough like our own that a comparison isn't a facial disanalogy, I'm just not going to buy it. It's just bad science; it's evopsych bullshit run amok.

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