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what makes a person who he/she is? the individual definiton? Is it the way one carries themself? The way one works words like magic? Or superficial things, like the way you look, smell, touch, thrust. When you're a cadaver... will any of this really matter?
The consiousness is not a "religious" teaching, I'd imagine most athiests would admit to the existance of a human "consiousness."
I basically said a few things:
1. Solomon was considered by jews to be the wisest man ever, and he says life is meaningless
2. I *personally believe* the consiousness is the "you" part. And yes, I have hard cold scientific reasons why.(for instance being able to recognize yourself as yourself in a mirror is a psychological test to see if someone or something is "consious")
3. Chaos mathmatics suggest that any small thing you do now could compound, and this would effect the whole universe for as long as it exists.
4. That what "matters" is what is "important" or "significant," and those are relative to peoples opinions. Value is something we create in our heads.
I'm sorry if you don't like that my answers are somewhat philosophical, or include quotations from theologic jewish monarchs, but to say I have some brainwashed bible answer, I find a bit discrediting, and baseless. I quote Solomon, that doesn't make my reply "religious." And most importantly I see no refference in the entire thing towards theology. Where is a God mentioned or refferenced?
Frankly I don't think any of what you said makes sense in refference to my reply.
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Keep in mind, not all of us believe in a "higher power.""
OK. First off, Chaos Theory, in my case, deals with physics. The consiousness thing deals with Psychology, and philosophy.
Secondly, I never said anything that directly went "God exists." Hell, I never mentioned any god.
Was it the "any action echoes throughout eternity?" That was based of of a theory called "Chaos Theory." It's not a religious teaching, it's a scientific theory.
"I was looking at his question from an agnostic human's viewpoint, rather than someone who believes in heaven or hell."
Hmm.. interesting, I'm sorry, I was looking at it from a retarded brainless fundementalist wacko view point.
Where the hell did I meantion a Heaven or a Hell? Where did I even imply there existed either??
See, this is the perfect example of the bias effect:
You are so used to saying "That's stupid," "I'm offended!!" or "Hey! some of us arn't biblethumping zombies" that whenever you hear a quotation from King James, it doesn't matter what the hell I'm saying, if I quote it, you say your line, and ignore me, or think I'm stupid, right? Now who's open minded?
Everything I freaking said was practically neurtal, I even said "Everything is relative" and that it was merely What I "believed."
I didn't bible thump. I didn't shove religious teaching down your throat. Even if I did state an opinion that sounded very "sunday school"-ish, I think it should be recognized as an opinion, and not have people come and saying: "Hey! I was talking about my athiest opinion from this viewpoint, don't contradict my viewpoint by having a religious opinion from that viewpoint. OPEN YOUR MIND!!"
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I didn't say it sounded like a religious comment because your mention of Solomn, but simply because it STRUCK ME AS ONE.
Also, I was comment to MIKE'S journal.
If it would have been a comment on yours, I would understand the backlash.
But I've noticed you commenting on things I say constantly, so you must like putting your nose in everyone else's business.
You said before that I'm close-minded.
I'm not at all. It seems to me that you are.
I know many things about other religions & am very accepting of all of them, I just ask the same in return.
And again- Mike asked for everyone's OWN opinion.
This whole thing could have been avoided if you would have realized that.
There was no need for your rebuttal.
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It only refferences My post saying it seemed "VERY RELIGIUSLY BASED." I was making a comment directed at Mike's question.
Maybe I misinterpreted your reply to my comment...but it seems you were bashing me for having a comment that was seemingly "religiously based" and implying I should realize that other people do not all support whatever Religion my comment was based off of.
This whole thing could have been avoided if you didn't imply my post was religiously based.
"Keep in mind, not all of us believe in a "higher power."" Where did that come from? Sounds like sublime baseless bashing to me.
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You usually reply to my comments, so I figured you were doing it AGAIN.
For that, I apologize.
But not for anything else.
When I said "higher power" in quotations, I meant it as that. I didn't want to say "God," because not everyone believes in "Him" either. There are all sorts of religions, & I didn't want to leave any out.
You did misinterpret my reply to your comment.
I thought you were giving ME shit for not being religious, & that offended me.
I simply wanted to let you know where I stood on it.
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I just felt like quoting Solomon. Because a large number of religious(and philosophical), people (christians, many neo-pagans, and jews esp.) considered him extradinarily wise, and he pretty much said the same thing you did: nothing you do matters 'cause we all eventually die. In reality, from my point, it was supposed to be very complementary to your post. I had no intention of implying that you were wrong, and "needed religion to set you straight," or something like that. I can however, see were I might have implied the concept of an "immortal human soul," though.
Anyway, sorry again. Sometimes I get carried away and tend to start arguing with people's words, rather than communicating or problem solving.
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Just be a bit more careful/courteous next time.
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