I see you are firmly entrenched in your compassion, which is a good thing and I am both glad and proud to call you a friend. Both our experiences has made us different people with different opinions, and that is fine by me.
As I have said before, I am willing to allow that not all the people that I have seen is an indication of the rest of the people about to come in through the doors. I am, however, reasonably wary. Wary, not because I would lose my job or upset about losing half my tax returns to them (amongst other things of course), but wary because it can mean alot of things - socially, economically and more.
of course, when some plans work out (like when I suggested mixing refugees in with small communities or planned communities, apparently it is in place in some areas like this), it is of course for the best interest of everyone involved.
But, even the best laid plans often goes to waste, because humans are, after all, unpredictable.
Therefore, when I got worried for the skilled migration process, I am indeed thinking of not myself but the country itself as a whole. As the statistics point out, we need more doctors and nurses amongst many other things as the system is currently heavily burdened. There are fewer students graduating from all these courses, not to mention actually end up working in the local field, than there are those numbers in the statistics.
Allowing a good number of skilled migration, whether we like it or not, alleviates the problems. although, to "stick to themselves and not much else" is also as much an assumption as mine is about refugees, this is a benefit on both sides of the fence.
Having refugees come in and equipping them with skills takes time, and, since we are talking about human rights, we can't force them into definite skills that each state definitely needs. In my state for example, I see that most new refugees goes into cab driving, cleaning or aged care nursing. Aged Care nursing is fine, because it's needed. But, we are completely over-run by cabs and it is destroying the economy for the more established cab drivers.
I can't say much about cleaning since I am not there.
I do not just think that because they are refugees, they would refuse to look for work or look for work properly. This is not a baseless assumption that I attribute to refugees. quite the opposite, a few years ago, actually. As I have mentioned in a previous post and another post elsewhere, I work with them and my aunt also works with them in another capacity, and yet someone else I know work with them in yet another capacity.
This doesn't mean it's a definitive thing either, but as I have mentioned, the percentages are shocking. Working with those I work with, they are generally lazy. When they go to certain places for interviews, despite recommendations and even grooming help, they often turn up for interviews completely jeopardising their chance at a job.
that's just an example, mind you, and there's more where those come from.
it's true, I don't work in detention centres nor is part of a project to help assimilate them into the society, neither have I known these people for long. I did try and volunteer for it, and was never called up. I know assimilation takes time and effort, like you, I myself (to a certain degree) is still assimilating. When I used the example of sarcasm, it was just an example. poor perhaps, but an example notheless. it wasn't to indicate an elitist view of how piss poor their english is, but more of... well, in view of the situation back when it happened (and wasnt between me and someone else either), it was more of a "i don't understand and don't want to" from the recipient of the sarcasm at that time.
The thing is, to not want to assimilate is quite often a conscious choice. it's a choice when they don't want to communicate with others, when they threaten bodily harm to just about everyone and, as you and I would know that communication is not just words, when you physically set out signals that you would not wish to be a part of anything around you except what you choose.
I will just stop here now so i can rest more before work.
Thanks, Cheryl. It is nice to be able to discuss issues like this without having hard feelings and to be able to agree to disagree. You are right, different experiences make us different people with different opinions. I constantly remind myself that I have to be objective about the world but it is difficult to do so about certain issues and often, our experiences mould our opinions. So now, I constantly remind myself that there are good eggs and bad eggs and therefore, I cannot stereotype. Such an obvious thing but often, I get too idealistic and forget reality.
By the way, what happened with the student visa and what do you mean you breached it?
Have a good rest. I am going to have a rest too. Not feeling well.
As I have said before, I am willing to allow that not all the people that I have seen is an indication of the rest of the people about to come in through the doors. I am, however, reasonably wary. Wary, not because I would lose my job or upset about losing half my tax returns to them (amongst other things of course), but wary because it can mean alot of things - socially, economically and more.
of course, when some plans work out (like when I suggested mixing refugees in with small communities or planned communities, apparently it is in place in some areas like this), it is of course for the best interest of everyone involved.
But, even the best laid plans often goes to waste, because humans are, after all, unpredictable.
Therefore, when I got worried for the skilled migration process, I am indeed thinking of not myself but the country itself as a whole. As the statistics point out, we need more doctors and nurses amongst many other things as the system is currently heavily burdened. There are fewer students graduating from all these courses, not to mention actually end up working in the local field, than there are those numbers in the statistics.
Allowing a good number of skilled migration, whether we like it or not, alleviates the problems. although, to "stick to themselves and not much else" is also as much an assumption as mine is about refugees, this is a benefit on both sides of the fence.
Having refugees come in and equipping them with skills takes time, and, since we are talking about human rights, we can't force them into definite skills that each state definitely needs. In my state for example, I see that most new refugees goes into cab driving, cleaning or aged care nursing. Aged Care nursing is fine, because it's needed. But, we are completely over-run by cabs and it is destroying the economy for the more established cab drivers.
I can't say much about cleaning since I am not there.
I do not just think that because they are refugees, they would refuse to look for work or look for work properly. This is not a baseless assumption that I attribute to refugees. quite the opposite, a few years ago, actually. As I have mentioned in a previous post and another post elsewhere, I work with them and my aunt also works with them in another capacity, and yet someone else I know work with them in yet another capacity.
This doesn't mean it's a definitive thing either, but as I have mentioned, the percentages are shocking. Working with those I work with, they are generally lazy. When they go to certain places for interviews, despite recommendations and even grooming help, they often turn up for interviews completely jeopardising their chance at a job.
that's just an example, mind you, and there's more where those come from.
it's true, I don't work in detention centres nor is part of a project to help assimilate them into the society, neither have I known these people for long. I did try and volunteer for it, and was never called up. I know assimilation takes time and effort, like you, I myself (to a certain degree) is still assimilating. When I used the example of sarcasm, it was just an example. poor perhaps, but an example notheless. it wasn't to indicate an elitist view of how piss poor their english is, but more of... well, in view of the situation back when it happened (and wasnt between me and someone else either), it was more of a "i don't understand and don't want to" from the recipient of the sarcasm at that time.
The thing is, to not want to assimilate is quite often a conscious choice. it's a choice when they don't want to communicate with others, when they threaten bodily harm to just about everyone and, as you and I would know that communication is not just words, when you physically set out signals that you would not wish to be a part of anything around you except what you choose.
I will just stop here now so i can rest more before work.
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By the way, what happened with the student visa and what do you mean you breached it?
Have a good rest. I am going to have a rest too. Not feeling well.
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