oh dear! They are very strict with the evidence you provide. Everything must be order and can't afford to miss anything. It is the same with spouse visa. I applied from Singapore and we submitted everything from emails, phone bills, photos, letters, cards. We didn't have joint bills in both our names because after we got married in Singapore, Dean had to come back here for work but I believe that is needed for de facto visa to prove that you have been in a de facto relationship. 888 is a crucial form and without it, even if you submit enough evidence, your application would be declined and I'm not sure about de facto visa, but for spouse visa, we had to have 2 persons do the 888 form vouch for our relationship in writing even though we were married. de facto visa doesn't make it easier and faster to get citizenship. I came on a spouse visa and had to wait as long as a student who came on a student visa to get my PR. It is also very hard to get a job on a spouse visa unless you know people. I tried for 1 year and applied for over 60 jobs and only go called for 2 interviews and still didn't get a job. Supposedly, people rather employs students then people on spouse visas.
I'm so sorry to hear about what happened with the visa but if you are bitter, I think from my point of view you can only be bitter about your ex-boss and not refugees because they didn't take your spot nor did they cause you get your visa denied. I have no right to tell you who you can be bitter with so don't get me wrong, just saying what I feel/think. Yes, they are bad people out there (and there always will be) but the refugees wouldn't have been given PRs if the department thought they were not genuine. I hope you get to meet some lovely, genuine people on the humanitarian visas one day.
Rest well and feel better soon. x
P.S. When and if you do apply for de facto visa again, I can help you with making sure your evidence are in order and sufficient. I remember you PMing on facebook asking me about citizenship and I remember telling you I was still waiting to be able to apply for it. I didn't realise you were going to apply for de facto or I would have told you to be extra precise or it won't get approved.
and... back again. still feeling craptastic hahaha, stupid arm. anyways, to answer this bit here while I work my way through what you have written:
I have now hired an agent. she's helping me with alot of the sifting through of what I have got. at least you had bills and so on, plus you married. I was a student so alot of our things were in my partner's name. Moreover, both of us got "lazy" and didn't "think about the future" when we first moved together, so everything was in his name. We didn't even think of changing the bills to joint name coz the lady at immigration said that if we could get lots of 888 it can counter-balance the bills. Fat chance.
The partner visa is similar to the spouse visa in all aspects except 1 - you need to have stayed together with your partner for the last 12 months or more, complete with bills and so on.
I am just currently appealing the case, therefore on a bridging visa status. Oddly enough I guess it's because of my previous student visa status, it includes a job option, so I got jobs easy. This is my third job since application - although, I will admit, I didn't like the second job. Sorry that you had so much trouble. I think it might be a different thing down in Melbourne, and I understand how depressing it can get.
Now, I have to say, I am not that bitter at them because I don't have the PR. Like what you said, I am pissed off with my ex-boss. Childish as it sounds, sometimes I walk by to chuckle at his failure of a restaurant. What I am more pissed off about is because I work with them. I understand that 120 people or so does not equate all 10 million of them refugees - I will give allowance of that. But understand that when I see 120 people through with only about 1-2 exceptions, I got very discouraged.
As I have mentioned before, I used to be completely compassionate and emphathetic about them. They are a big part of the reasons why I studied politics (to help them) and then now in nursing (to also help them in medeciens sans frontieres).
Of the 2 exceptions, only 1 is warm and friendly to anyone, although I can't fault the other for being unfriendly - we all come to work not to make friends and she works her hardest.
I am sure amongst the 10 million or so refugees, there would be many personalities and *I* am not a standard of any sort to judge them, and neither should I do that. While I do recognised that the utopia that we all wished for can not exist, one can only hope that at least we strive to make sure that the system reaches out mostly to those who needs it most.
I think hiring an agent is a good thing. Hopefully, your agent will help with the appeal. Because we applied for spouse visa from Singapore and my husband had to come back to Melbourne for work, we weren't living together for 6 months after we got married so we didn't have bills to submit for the spouse visa application. We did, however have really lovely 888s and all the other evidences required thankfully. What we did when I moved over finally after my spouse visa got approved was to make sure we have joint bank accounts and joint names for bills because I know by then that we needed bills as evidence of living together for when I applied for my PR. Have you changed your bills to both your names now?
Thanks. That horrible year of being jobless was in Perth, where we lived for a year. My husband is originally from there (but have been living in Melbourne for many years) and we moved there to see if I like living there and to be closer to my in-laws and Singapore. Unfortunately, I preferred Melbourne, although Perth will always have a special place in my heart, having first met my husband there, having conceived my son there and because my in-laws are there. So we moved back to Melbourne and it is home now.
I suppose I am just lucky because I have a few friends here who work with asylum seekers and the hundreds I have met have been such wonderful people who I believe will make great Australians. I understand how you can get discouraged about the refugees because I get discouraged too about the skilled migrants and foreign students here, which is why I mentioned they "stick to themselves and not much else". I haven't even met one who want to or made an effort to assimilate, and I definitely don't consider their fake Australian accent as an attempt. They only have bad things to say about the country and its people and just stick to themselves. The skilled migrants incessantly complain about the high tax they pay and think there are indispensable just because they contribute economically. I get discouraged because they are a poor reflection of migrants and I don't like to be placed in the same category as them. I readily admit that I am being subjective with regards to this matter. At the same time, I understand and acknowledge that even though every skilled migrants and foreign students I have met are like that, it doesn't mean that they are all like that and I look forward to the day when I met one who is not using this country just to get out of their country and stop being such whingers who don't want to assimilate. It is just unfortunate that the 48 I have met are like that. Yes, I counted them, that's how discouraged I am by them. :)
Hope your arm feels better soon. I have a dodgy wrist too and it is annoying.
I'm so sorry to hear about what happened with the visa but if you are bitter, I think from my point of view you can only be bitter about your ex-boss and not refugees because they didn't take your spot nor did they cause you get your visa denied. I have no right to tell you who you can be bitter with so don't get me wrong, just saying what I feel/think. Yes, they are bad people out there (and there always will be) but the refugees wouldn't have been given PRs if the department thought they were not genuine. I hope you get to meet some lovely, genuine people on the humanitarian visas one day.
Rest well and feel better soon. x
P.S. When and if you do apply for de facto visa again, I can help you with making sure your evidence are in order and sufficient. I remember you PMing on facebook asking me about citizenship and I remember telling you I was still waiting to be able to apply for it. I didn't realise you were going to apply for de facto or I would have told you to be extra precise or it won't get approved.
P.P.S. What visa are you on now?
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I have now hired an agent. she's helping me with alot of the sifting through of what I have got. at least you had bills and so on, plus you married. I was a student so alot of our things were in my partner's name. Moreover, both of us got "lazy" and didn't "think about the future" when we first moved together, so everything was in his name. We didn't even think of changing the bills to joint name coz the lady at immigration said that if we could get lots of 888 it can counter-balance the bills. Fat chance.
The partner visa is similar to the spouse visa in all aspects except 1 - you need to have stayed together with your partner for the last 12 months or more, complete with bills and so on.
I am just currently appealing the case, therefore on a bridging visa status. Oddly enough I guess it's because of my previous student visa status, it includes a job option, so I got jobs easy. This is my third job since application - although, I will admit, I didn't like the second job. Sorry that you had so much trouble. I think it might be a different thing down in Melbourne, and I understand how depressing it can get.
Now, I have to say, I am not that bitter at them because I don't have the PR. Like what you said, I am pissed off with my ex-boss. Childish as it sounds, sometimes I walk by to chuckle at his failure of a restaurant. What I am more pissed off about is because I work with them. I understand that 120 people or so does not equate all 10 million of them refugees - I will give allowance of that. But understand that when I see 120 people through with only about 1-2 exceptions, I got very discouraged.
As I have mentioned before, I used to be completely compassionate and emphathetic about them. They are a big part of the reasons why I studied politics (to help them) and then now in nursing (to also help them in medeciens sans frontieres).
Of the 2 exceptions, only 1 is warm and friendly to anyone, although I can't fault the other for being unfriendly - we all come to work not to make friends and she works her hardest.
I am sure amongst the 10 million or so refugees, there would be many personalities and *I* am not a standard of any sort to judge them, and neither should I do that. While I do recognised that the utopia that we all wished for can not exist, one can only hope that at least we strive to make sure that the system reaches out mostly to those who needs it most.
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Thanks. That horrible year of being jobless was in Perth, where we lived for a year. My husband is originally from there (but have been living in Melbourne for many years) and we moved there to see if I like living there and to be closer to my in-laws and Singapore. Unfortunately, I preferred Melbourne, although Perth will always have a special place in my heart, having first met my husband there, having conceived my son there and because my in-laws are there. So we moved back to Melbourne and it is home now.
I suppose I am just lucky because I have a few friends here who work with asylum seekers and the hundreds I have met have been such wonderful people who I believe will make great Australians.
I understand how you can get discouraged about the refugees because I get discouraged too about the skilled migrants and foreign students here, which is why I mentioned they "stick to themselves and not much else". I haven't even met one who want to or made an effort to assimilate, and I definitely don't consider their fake Australian accent as an attempt. They only have bad things to say about the country and its people and just stick to themselves. The skilled migrants incessantly complain about the high tax they pay and think there are indispensable just because they contribute economically. I get discouraged because they are a poor reflection of migrants and I don't like to be placed in the same category as them. I readily admit that I am being subjective with regards to this matter. At the same time, I understand and acknowledge that even though every skilled migrants and foreign students I have met are like that, it doesn't mean that they are all like that and I look forward to the day when I met one who is not using this country just to get out of their country and stop being such whingers who don't want to assimilate. It is just unfortunate that the 48 I have met are like that. Yes, I counted them, that's how discouraged I am by them. :)
Hope your arm feels better soon. I have a dodgy wrist too and it is annoying.
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