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[info]angelcarnivore
2009-12-29 10:25 pm (local) (link) DeleteTrack This
Demona, for example, may as well be Lady Macbeth. Word of God says she is. Thailog is definetely Edmund... the Bastard.
Word of God?
Really? I love Greg Weisman too, and while we both will never get to fellate him as much as we both obviously want to, Greg, the way you talk, you make it sound like he's the only one who had input into Gargoyles. And he's not. He's not the one behind Demona's character design, for instance. And he didn't even see Predator 2 so he never saw the homage to that movie in Eye of the Beholder.
The people who worked on Gargoyles have, at many panels at many different Gatherings, have discussed differing opinions on the material.
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[info]gregx
2009-12-29 10:31 pm (local) (link) Track This
Word of God is a term I stole from TV Tropes.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod Now all that being said, I know full well that he's not the only one with input into Gargoyles. But his voice was the biggest, and he was the show-runner.
That being said, I know that the Shakespeare elements in the series were far more than just from Greg. That series was staffed with Shakespeare fans.
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[info]angelcarnivore
2009-12-29 11:10 pm (local) (link) DeleteTrack This
Some things are also in-verse sophistries that just fit, transcending the input.
Greg- do me a favor, can you explain to me the dynamic between Othello, Iago and Desdemona in the original play? I've always had problems understanding why there's so much trouble over a hankercheif.
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[info]gregx
2009-12-29 11:31 pm (local) (link) Track This
Okay. Well, Othello was a general in the Venetian military, and he promoted Cassio to be his new lieutenant over his ensign, Iago. Needless to say, Iago is pissed, and decides that he wants to ruin Othello, and he plans to use Cassio to do it.
Desdemona married Othello in secret, and her father, Brabantio, a Venetian senator is upset, convinced that Othello seduced her through witchcraft. So, Othello being a moor and a general is quite controversial, but he is good at his job, and he and Desdemona are quite in love with each other. But Brabantio disowns Desdemona warns Othello that she will deceive him.
Once they arrive at Cyprus, Iago begins manipulating Othello into believing that Desdemona and Cassio are having an affair. Cassio is seeing a woman named Bianca, and at one point when Iago manipulates Cassio into talking about it, Othello overhears, thinking he's talking about Desdemona.
The handkerchief is important because it was a gift from Othello to Desdemona, which Iago's wife, Emilia, stole (she had no idea what Iago wanted with it). Iago plants it in Cassio's quarters as evidence of the affair.
Iago then, of course, tricks Othello into killing Desdemona.
How this applies to "Gargoyles". Well, obviously we know who Iago, Othello, and Desdemona were. Goliath was obviously the "Cassio" and Iago tricked Othello into trying to kill Goliath over it as we saw in "Legion".
The big difference is that Shakespeare's Iago was not in love with Desdemona. He just wanted to ruin Othello, see Cassio dead, and be promoted to general.
Anyway, that's the basic gist. I didn't even mention Iago's poor sap, Roderigo.
Kenneth Branagh directed a terrific film adaptation of "Othello" and he played Iago. Laurence Fishburne was Othello. I recommend it.
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[info]angelcarnivore
2009-12-29 11:37 pm (local) (link) DeleteTrack This
Ah, I had hoped you'd talk about the book version- not the film adaptations.
We're talking about difficulty in reading it, after all. Still, thanks.
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[info]gregx
2009-12-29 11:43 pm (local) (link) Track This
There is no "book version", Mara. It's a play. They used the same script. I was just recommending the film because it's a terrific version.
And yes, I have read it. Several times.
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[info]angelcarnivore
2009-12-29 11:47 pm (local) (link) DeleteTrack This
I'm sorry, Greg- I am monumentally stupid- I did not know that plays are not printed and published in a "book" medium.
What did they print it on? Bacon? Or was it perhaps told by word of mouth these last five hundred years?
I did not know that ALL version of the play are identical. That's amazing.
How did you read the play if there is no "book version" of it?
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