Hello 2011!

[angel_inoshi]

Inoshi here [waves] and I hope everyone had a nice holiday season and a Happy New Year.

I know I always talk about Marvel in my entries, usually giving my two cents about recent issues, which I will continue to do so, but...I'm lazy at the moment and won't really go in-depth (or try not to) for this entry.  Mostly because I'm behind and I can't

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[angel_inoshi]

Comms are always funny like that...one minute they are alive - the next the are dust. It just goes with the fandom really. Something has to put Tony back into the spotlight, like say his third movie...before things will change.

The Tony hate will always be there UNTIL someone ELSE messes up to the level of villainy. Even then though...you have people that love to hate - especially when it was their favorite character that had been wronged. See, before I actually delved into the Avengers, I was a Spidey fan. Spiderman was my main guy and when I was getting into Civil War, according to the Spidey books, Tony was a bad guy. Since I did't know Tony then, of course I didn't like him. XD I was very much >_< "wah that b*st*rd!" Then one day I decided to watch the Ironman movie because it was a loooong bus ride and I went o.o "huh...poor guy." Then I read fanfics and it was allllll downhill from there. Sad to say, I dropped Spidey (thanks OMD and BND and OMIT)and became a Tony!fan. It's almost safe to say I know more about Tony then I do about Spidey...lol...I should really try to re-kindle my Spidey love.

Another part of the Tony hate really stems from the point Tony crosses the line over and over again. Plus, Marvel has a fascination of making virtually EVERYTHING Tony builds go evil because that is Tony's "thing". He's afraid of his tech hurting people. All the good stuff he invents can always be used to blow something up or whatever. Personally, Marvel was on to something with Ironman Noir...Tony is more then just his company damn it!

It's almost not fair to compare Batman with Ironman. Batman gets a pass I think just because he's Batman...he's up there with Superman and Wonder Woman for DC. Despite Tony's popularity, until the major events of Civil War and his movies...he really was just a second tier character. He wasn't up there with Spider-Man and Wolverine. Plus Tony's villains weren't on the same level as Batman's Joker, Two Face, Penguin, etc. The only one I can recall who comes close is Mandarin. If Marvel was smart...they would actually go the route of Sherlock Holmes. Things become interesting for Tony when he's facing someone "smarter" than him. Like in Ironman Noir...he was facing off against his father...dude.

Uh, where was I going with this conversation? I fully believe Marvel love writing Tony angst as much as Spidey financial problems. It's just there and they actually don't want to change or develop the character beyond it....at least for now.

[fictivore]

yeah... it's still sad though... :( Doubly sad for me, because as much as I like movie!Tony for himself and for the interest he's generated for Iron Man, I prefer comics!Tony for character... And more movies, only mean that comics Tony is probably gonna be replaced... It's just that movie!Tony right now is at the place/level of characterization that I *like* to think comics Tony has grown past once he got over the drinking in the 80s... So its like massive character devolution in a sense... Oh well, let's see...

Haha... I think the Spidey books were actually the no. 1 cause of Tony hate, because Spidey is such a favourite character... He's almost the flagship driver, so what the Spidey book have to say about an issue, often becomes what fans think of that issue... (which is why the basic premise of OMD is such a wall-banger, really) And why Spidey writers need to exercise some that 'great power, great responsibility' credo... ;) [And why I can never really forgive JMS, no matter how awesome he remains as an author... <.<]

Though I'm interested in what specific examples of line-crossing you have in mind... As a Spidey (or ex-Spidey! ;p) fan, and even in general?

To be honest, I think they've been trying to change Tony's direction for a while now (before the cluster-fuck of execution that was CW)... I mean the whole Def Sec think, then of of course we went Extremis and CW... But even after there was Director of SHIELD and IIM... Iron Man is actually one of their more consistently (for decades, even!) character-driven titles, [hence my whiff with the sudden re-characterization due to the movies ;)]... though they seem to follow the golden rule of character driven story- Think of the worst thing that can happen to the character. Now, do it. THE END... Really sums up, Iron Man in a line, donnit?

[angel_inoshi]

For crossing the line as a Spidey fan...to be honest some of the stuff I saw Tony do through Civil War was something I could sympathize with. I'm actually pissed off more so with the portrayal of Peter. Sure Tony convinced him to unmask, but bottom line was it was still his choice. For some odd reason his "responsibility" and ability to think went out the window for portions of Civil War. In the end though, I think the main focus was the hurt with Peter going to the other side and the hurt Tony wasn't upfront with him and did the "lesser of two evils."

Crossing the line in general though...I keep thinking when Tony faked his death - I mean poor Rhodey. I know if I was Rhodey I'd be like you !@#$%& you couldn't have given me a secret message or something?! But a lot of what I read of that came from Marvel wiki...still. But I try to give Tony the benefit of the doubt...unfortunately unlike Batman...his plans usually blow up in his face while Bruce seems to be right most of the time. There is the major difference...[pets Tony]

The one thing I wish is that he learn to ask for a tiny bit of help...that Ultron future thing worries me...