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gonzo21 May 30 2017, 11:06:07 UTC
And yet May continues with her policy that 'no deal is better than a bad deal'.

It's hard to believe so many people are convinced that Brexit is the one issue that matters this election, and more so that they are onboard with May's catastrophic intent.

(And it's quite clear the way the Tories are managing the message that the NHS is at risk if there is a bad EU deal, that they're going to destroy the NHS and blame it on those evil Europeans.)

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skington May 30 2017, 12:32:01 UTC
The problem with "no deal is better than a bad deal", is that "no deal" is an objectively terrible deal. And that's where Paxman failed to follow up: to explain what "no deal" would involve, and to check whether Theresa May was really happy to go ahead with that.

I still don't understand how it could ever be that the EU27 would actively propose a deal that was genuinely worse than no deal, and I suspect that Theresa May and David Davis never properly thought about that originally, and either still haven't thought about it properly, or are sticking with the same talking points because they don't want to admit that they had no clue a few months ago and were making it up as they went along.

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a_pawson May 30 2017, 12:45:56 UTC
I suspect May and Davies are sticking to the "no deal is better than a bad deal" line, not for the benefit of the EU negotiators, but for the benefit of the UK public and press. The harder a line they appear to take, the more support they seem to garner from the right-wing press and from a good section of the UK electorate. I expect this sort of talk will vanish abruptly once the election is over and the real negotiations start.

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gonzo21 May 30 2017, 13:21:25 UTC
To be replaced by 'Oh god please, please, please, give us some sort of a deal, please, just let us pretend it's better than the membership we had before, please, we'll give you the Queen! Anything!'

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gonzo21 May 30 2017, 13:12:19 UTC
One thing that has become increasingly apparent to me anyway as this campaign has gone on, is that May just... isn't very bright.

The second she has to deviate from the script the wheels come off the wagon. And clearly she's surrounded by a lot of also not very bright people.

Which is sort of horrifying that these are the people likely to be negotiating Brexit. I really do think their whole plan now is to wreck the country and blame it all on the evil EU. And that... will probably work with the majority of the electorate.

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lilchiva May 30 2017, 17:41:32 UTC
It's very confusing reading everything over here. It seems like more people are now for Brexit than they were before. But, what leaving the EU is actually supposed to positively result in seems less clear than ever. Most everything I'm reading seems incredibly biased and bereft of detail. What details I do get seem to be of the "UK is going to have a tough time with trade and paying for things".

So, what's going on? I know you're a Remain voter. But, surely there have to be some upsides to Leave. Or, at least, something that others think is positive. From the outside, I'm mostly just seeing a UK version of the Jingoism we are rife with in The States. But, even here, loads of people like Trump and agree with many of this administration's policies.

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