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strannik01 August 3 2015, 05:17:38 UTC
Did you read many USA newspapers where were told that there are some economic problems in Ukraine or Georgia?

I haven't seen much about Georgia recently, but plenty of Western media outlets have covered economic problems in Ukraine. New York Times, the Atlantic magazine, BBC News, the Economist, Vice. And those are just the ones I can think of atop of my head.

More to the point, I am not sure why you're bring up American newspapers. The editorial I translated was from a news outlet that's very much Russian. I get was more information about Ukrainian Crisis and what's going on at the Motherland from Gazeta.ru, Kommersant and other Russian media outlets than I do from Western ones.

Everyday Ukrainian army is killing peacful Russian citizens of East Ukraine

See, I find it very interesting that you focus on Russian citizens dying. Even though most of the civilians dying in Eastern Ukraine are Ukrainians. But I guess that doesn't fit into the whole "bloodthirsty Nazis killing innocent Russian children" narrative quite as nicely.

strangely but the West mass media are no interested about it

In my experience, that depends. With a few exceptions, American media outlets tend to take a very black-and-white view of the conflict, ignoring inconvenient facts that don't fit into "heroic Ukrainians fighting evil Russians" narrative (like the aforementioned bombings of Donetsk). British news outlets, like BBC and the Economist are more likely to take a more nuanced views, actually delving into the issues on the ground. There are limitations - they are Western media outlets, and they enter the conflict with certain inherent assumptions, and they may not necessarily understand some ideological finer points of the conflict - but overall, they still do a better job than their American counterparts.

(Outlets like gazeta.ru and Kommersant also have inherent assumptions and ideological blind spots, but that's miles better than what passes for news in state media outlets, which make me want to hum "боевая гвардия тежёлыми шагами"

(For Andrew and other Westerners reading it - that's a Russian cultural reference. Substitute "there's always war in Eastasia" and you'll get the basic gist of what i meant))

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maadmike August 3 2015, 08:21:53 UTC
"More to the point, I am not sure why you're bring up American newspapers."
Because there are certain ordering in the west press to write this and don't write that. The Abama are tellingl every now and then that the sanctions had ruined the economy of Russia but he don't mention that the economy of Ukraine were ruined long before this, and if what's Ukrainians did during Yushenko presidency with their economy, could be called "to cut the branch on which you sit", then now they are "digging their own grave". As I told thirty percent of their plants are Russia oriented and they are closing all these plants to tear the links between Ukraine and Russia to integrate more to the EU. The workers of these plants organize strikes but nowhere in a West press even one mention about it.
"See, I find it very interesting that you focus on Russian citizens dying."
I thought that you would not understand it. They are Ukrainian citizens but they are Russians. They were born in Russia, they speak only Russian and they were sent to work in Ukraine while it was the part of USSR. And after the persecution which had been organized by the pro-West Ukrainian nazist authorities against Russians, many of this eastern Ukrainian citizens took a weapon in their hands.

"Even though most of the civilians dying in Eastern Ukraine are Ukrainians. But I guess that doesn't fit into the whole "bloodthirsty Nazis killing innocent Russian children" narrative quite as nicely."
That's what I am talking about, the Ukrainian army is killing now many Ukrainian citizens on their territory cause the USA needs something for sanctions and the Ukraine authorities need a war for not answering to their people why is everything so bad in their economy now...

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