Something I'm curious about Day of The Doctor

Dec 08, 2013 11:05

If Ecclestone had accepted the offer to be part of it, would this have been as well as Hurt, or instead of ( Read more... )

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skington December 8 2013, 11:17:04 UTC
Ecclestone has blatantly just regenerated at the beginning of Rose, though, so he couldn't have been the War Doctor.

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andrewducker December 8 2013, 11:18:16 UTC
I don't remember that at all!

Was there a line making that explicit?

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del_c December 8 2013, 11:34:53 UTC
Yes, he remarks on his new Eccleston ears. But he could have just regenerated from Paul McGann, who would have been the Doctor responsible for ending the Time War. Here's how I see the Moffat plan and its adaptation.

Before the Name of the Doctor, the season ender, Moffat planned for a 50th anniversary special teased by a short showing McGann either preparing to end the Time War, or having just done so and regenerating into Eccleston. Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith then star in a 50th anniversary featuring every New Who Doctor. Moffat contacts Eccleston, who turns the role down.

Moffat then repairs the damage by adding a scene to the Name of the Doctor introducing Hurt, an explanation of how a Doctor is there who has not hitherto had a number (although numbers are outside the context of the show). A teaser now shows McGann regenerating into Hurt, who will go on to end the Time War and regenerate into Eccleston.

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andrewducker December 8 2013, 12:58:00 UTC
Aaah, found the line
DOCTOR: Ah, could've been worse. Look at the ears.

Which does seem to indicate that. Although I'm sure Moffat could have worked around that if he'd tried :->

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coth December 8 2013, 11:29:37 UTC
I thought that the dialogue showed signs of having been written for Ecclestone, especially in the encounter with the interface-in-Rose's-form. It would have made a lot of sense to me.

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gonzo21 December 8 2013, 11:32:44 UTC
That was my feeling too. I felt the role was kinda designed with Eccleston in mind.

And this would to me explain the incredibly clunky ending of the last season where nothing really made sense and it was all apparently designed just to shoehorn in William Hurt AS! THE! DOCTOR!

A finale that was then not referenced and completely ignored by the 50th entirely. Having done it's job of shoe-horning in this extra doctor.

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del_c December 8 2013, 11:42:07 UTC
William Hurt would make a fine Doctor (first American cast in the role!). He could have played him as a mix of some of his previous roles, such as Mr Rochester and Richard Feynman.

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gonzo21 December 8 2013, 11:46:18 UTC
Oops, ha, brain fade. Blame that on watching AI last night. :)

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ajr December 8 2013, 22:55:58 UTC
My guess would be as well as, not instead of; perhaps a proper cameo instead of a repurposed clip, and a proper regeneration scene for Hurt. But no more than that ( ... )

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andrewducker December 8 2013, 22:58:41 UTC
The TV writers clearly don't care about Radio/book canon, they ignore it the vast majority of the time, and reuse plots for the TV when it suits them.

And _clearly_ Hurt doesn't regenerate into Ecclestone.
It's Hurt -> Atkinson -> Grant -> Broadbent -> Grant -> Lumley -> Ecclestone.

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ajr December 8 2013, 23:14:01 UTC
True about the reuse. Human Nature's probably the biggest example.

Moffat does canonise McGann's radio dramas in Night of the Doctor, though.

As for the regeneration, I swear I'm not mad, but just before it cuts away from Hurt during the regeneration you can see his face for a split second start to change into Eccleston.

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andrewducker December 8 2013, 23:17:03 UTC
I must have watched that about seven times now, having heard people say that, and if you can point out the bit that's clearly Ecclestone (and not, say, Atkinson) I'll be very impressed!

It looks to me like they just blurred his face a bit, to be honest.

(And yes, they occasionally do reference the radio/books in the TV series, when they feel like it. No love for Frobisher yet though.)

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cartesiandaemon December 9 2013, 13:24:26 UTC
I much prefer the idea that the war doctor was a concession to practicality than something that was supposed to have happened all along (though now it exists, I embrace it wholeheartedly as cannon).

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steer December 9 2013, 18:28:21 UTC
I think there are a bunch of clues that make me think it was absolutely planned for some time that there was to be a doctor not counted as the doctor and reasons which make it less convincing as a story with just one more incarnation ( ... )

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