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danieldwilliam September 7 2012, 11:38:38 UTC
I’m not so sure that the original piece by Alex Day was equating having awesome (1) women characters with misogny. I got the impression he was more irritated that so many of the women characters are similar.

Did I miss something?

(1) and I use that word more literally than figuratively here.

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steer September 7 2012, 12:08:54 UTC
Yes, I've got to say, it was a bit weird. The original author just points out that many of the recent female characters in Dr Who share a number of common characteristics and says he's a bit sick of that. A commentator on that puts (quite bizarrely IMHO) "where multiple intelligent women is ZOMGMISOGYNY!" despite the words misogyny and intelligent occurring nowhere in the original piece (though he does say smart).

Even more bizarrely the second commentator seems to think that Susan (the original series companion) is teasing and flirty which I just do not recognise at all -- in fact she'd have been pretty unconvincing at such IMHO.

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danieldwilliam September 7 2012, 12:39:38 UTC
Susan Foreman?

The granddaughter of the Doctor.

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steer September 7 2012, 12:42:12 UTC
Sorry, muddling my names... Barbara, not Susan! Doh! Brainfade.

Can't believe I have watched every first season episode and managed to muddle the two names around. I'd honestly got the names attached to the wrong people!

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philmophlegm September 7 2012, 13:26:32 UTC
Barbara flirts with Ian a bit ( ... )

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steer September 7 2012, 13:34:55 UTC
It was aimed at River Song, Amy Pond and person from previous episode whose name has gone from my dim brain.

You're right that Martha, Rose and Donna were very different characters -- but they were previous writer. In fact all the companions have difference characteristics... but those latest three River Song, Amy Pond and Oswin (had to look it up -- it was bugging me) are all brave, clever, flirty, openly sexy-and-they-know-it in a "hey boys!" kind of way. Not that they're not different from each other of course but you can imagine a lot of the Oswin lines being said by River Song for example and vice versa -- which would not have worked so well with, say, Martha, Donna and Rose.

Barbara flirts with Ian a bit.

In a mumsy 50s housewife kind of a way though -- I mean considering it's the swinging 60s...

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inamac September 7 2012, 19:01:45 UTC
Barbara in 'The Romans' is definitely flirty - in fact (having re-watched this after a 40 year gap) that story is definitely Not Suitable For Children (I never realised that at the time, of course).

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philmophlegm September 7 2012, 20:41:11 UTC
I had it for my birthday but haven't got around to watching it yet. Maybe I'll keep it for post-watershed!

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