One small step forward for racial equality, one huge leap backward for sexual equality

Nov 05, 2008 22:18

Oh, the irony! It looks like because of the heavy black turnout in this election to vote into office a single black man, millions of Americans will lose the right to marry and adopt children. This isn't really that big of a surprise - Prop 8 in California was obviously going to be tight, and everyone knows that black Americans more homophobic ( Read more... )

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also: sadie_sabot November 6 2008, 04:47:46 UTC
I just love it when racist comments are prefaced with "everyone knows..."

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Re: also: sixunneuf November 6 2008, 04:55:28 UTC
...? Are you denying that there's more homophobia in the black community than in the white community/American as a whole? If that's so, can you explain to me why blacks voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage, whereas the overall vote was almost tied?

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Re: also: mountainbed November 6 2008, 16:22:03 UTC
how can you even measure that?

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Re: also: sixunneuf November 6 2008, 17:16:33 UTC
By looking at voting outcomes on gay rights issues (like this one)?

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Re: also: sadie_sabot November 6 2008, 17:27:32 UTC
I guess that means my queer friends who don't support gay marriage are homophobic too?

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Re: also: sixunneuf November 6 2008, 17:33:33 UTC
It's a crude measure, for sure. I personally don't support gay marriage - I think that the government shouldn't be sanctioning any relationships, gay, straight, plural, etc - but I sort of doubt that 70% of the black California electorate was thinking this way when they voted yes on Prop 8.

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Re: also: sadie_sabot November 7 2008, 04:58:37 UTC
Well, it seems the main alternative shot in the dark is that they're all conservatives. So uh... 70% of black voters in CA or conservatives? Somehow that doesn't add up.

I think all of these stupid theories are just that... stupid. That's why that statistic is a lot more complicated than you're making it out to be, and why your analysis of it is... overly simplistic and, by virtue of racial generalization, racist.

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Re: also: sadie_sabot November 6 2008, 17:34:48 UTC
Be serious.
Your "queer friends who don't support gay marriage" don't oppose gay marriage for the same reasons that a culturally conservative christian(-influenced) black person does.

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Re: also: sadie_sabot November 7 2008, 04:56:16 UTC
So now it's 70% of "culturally conservative christian(-influenced) black people" who voted for prop 8? Can't you be more specific?

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